2nd race for em

[Murray]

Des Coulter always remembered George Burgess telling him, that to build a good racing team (specifically a distance one) you have to try and lose them

I don't try to lose them, but When training time comes they all go in the box and go up the road. I lose a lot, the hawks are dynamite around here, but the one that make it are equipped to go to the races.
If you send youngsters to a race off a handful of short tosses you are very unlikely to ever see it again.
It's an easy trap to fall into, thinking you are being kind to them by not tossing them and exposing them to the hawks. But your'e not.

[Anthony webster]

I think you make a very interesting point there Ant and not surprising to me. Home bred birds you have developed over a number of years have got used to your system and the birds that work on your system are the ones that have made your own family that you have now. The bought in birds aren’t necessarily any worse than your own family the ones you’ve lost just didn’t fit your system. It takes a few years to get new birds to suit the way you do things. The 5 you have left have proved to you that they are willing to respond to your system. These birds should now blend into your own family well as they have earned their place in your team.

First 6 tosses all ways singles pal if they can't get home I don't want em once I've weeded the idiots out I can work with the others and get them racing ,,

Des Coulter always remembered George Burgess telling him, that to build a good racing team (specifically a distance one) you have to try and lose them !!
If a system works then why change it !!
I agree that you can buy the best of the best, from the best, but if they don't like or fit your system then you may as well stick them I the bin. Over the years I have tried introducing countless numbers of sprint pigeons into my team but they either get lost or end up being decent distance pogeons lol
My system just doesn't suit sprint racing, I'm not dedicated enough these days I'm afraid.

There not on a system until week before racing there just looked after and loft flown and trained ,I don't pair up ,breed put them on widowhood I do none of them things ,everything a expert says I do dead opposite lol ,pigeon racing to me is fairly simple.
Fit ,healthy,right weight ,love home ,n most importantly they must be super pigeons ,,
Motivation seeing hens seeing nest bowls in my opinion can not make a average pigeon win ,,
With greyhounds n horses if they don't hit the right time the trainer knows there not open class but pigeon lads love there pigeons so much they keep them and try and beat Derby n open class animals with donkeys ,,I'm just speaking the truth the brits copy the Belgium n Dutch if they put cow shxt in there drinker the brits would do the same there frightened to change but I think all these systems are just extra unneeded work .

[Murray]

First 6 tosses all ways singles pal if they can't get home I don't want em once I've weeded the idiots out I can work with the others and get them racing ,,

Des Coulter always remembered George Burgess telling him, that to build a good racing team (specifically a distance one) you have to try and lose them !!
If a system works then why change it !!
I agree that you can buy the best of the best, from the best, but if they don't like or fit your system then you may as well stick them I the bin. Over the years I have tried introducing countless numbers of sprint pigeons into my team but they either get lost or end up being decent distance pogeons lol
My system just doesn't suit sprint racing, I'm not dedicated enough these days I'm afraid.

There not on a system until week before racing there just looked after and loft flown and trained ,I don't pair up ,breed put them on widowhood I do none of them things ,everything a expert says I do dead opposite lol ,pigeon racing to me is fairly simple.
Fit ,healthy,right weight ,love home ,n most importantly they must be super pigeons ,,
Motivation seeing hens seeing nest bowls in my opinion can not make a average pigeon win ,,
With greyhounds n horses if they don't hit the right time the trainer knows there not open class but pigeon lads love there pigeons so much they keep them and try and beat Derby n open class animals with donkeys ,,I'm just speaking the truth the brits copy the Belgium n Dutch if they put cow shxt in there drinker the brits would do the same there frightened to change but I think all these systems are just extra unneeded work .

By crikey, I think the man speaks a lot of sense,
More important than all the 'systems', the great lofts, the "scientific" feeding, all of that, you must have top class, super pigeons.
I've been saying it for years, what you feed is always less important than what you feed it to.
As for systems, a top class widowhood cock, in the hands of someone who instinctively understands, i.e. a master of the art, well, he takes the whole thing to another level.
Otherwise they just need to be warm, dry, fed and happy. Pigeons are pretty intelligent, but they don't think like people,. They think like pigeons. Love of home and trust in the fancier, I think that's the two most important things to cultivate.

[Trev]

Des Coulter always remembered George Burgess telling him, that to build a good racing team (specifically a distance one) you have to try and lose them !!
If a system works then why change it !!
I agree that you can buy the best of the best, from the best, but if they don't like or fit your system then you may as well stick them I the bin. Over the years I have tried introducing countless numbers of sprint pigeons into my team but they either get lost or end up being decent distance pogeons lol
My system just doesn't suit sprint racing, I'm not dedicated enough these days I'm afraid.

There not on a system until week before racing there just looked after and loft flown and trained ,I don't pair up ,breed put them on widowhood I do none of them things ,everything a expert says I do dead opposite lol ,pigeon racing to me is fairly simple.
Fit ,healthy,right weight ,love home ,n most importantly they must be super pigeons ,,
Motivation seeing hens seeing nest bowls in my opinion can not make a average pigeon win ,,
With greyhounds n horses if they don't hit the right time the trainer knows there not open class but pigeon lads love there pigeons so much they keep them and try and beat Derby n open class animals with donkeys ,,I'm just speaking the truth the brits copy the Belgium n Dutch if they put cow shxt in there drinker the brits would do the same there frightened to change but I think all these systems are just extra unneeded work .

By crikey, I think the man speaks a lot of sense,
More important than all the 'systems', the great lofts, the "scientific" feeding, all of that, you must have top class, super pigeons.
I've been saying it for years, what you feed is always less important than what you feed it to.
As for systems, a top class widowhood cock, in the hands of someone who instinctively understands, i.e. a master of the art, well, he takes the whole thing to another level.
Otherwise they just need to be warm, dry, fed and happy. Pigeons are pretty intelligent, but they don't think like people,. They think like pigeons. Love of home and trust in the fancier, I think that's the two most important things to cultivate.

I quite agree with you both, the only thing I'd add is the old adage that "you can buy the best mans pigeons but you can't buy the man" no good having the best bird in the world if you don't know how to keep/race it !!