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MIL wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2024 11:29 pm
Trev wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2024 10:07 pm
MIL wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2024 12:41 pmHow'd it go Trev ?
Sorry guys, I'll put a report up tomorrow 👍🤠 all the best.

I understand your goals etc Trevor - honestly I do

On the other post you said you were "disappointed" with the weekends race

There's guys on here capable and willing to help - we just need to understand what we're dealing with
I completely understand Mike and do appreciate your advice and support.
I was dissapointed as the wind direction doesn't very often favour my position, the birds usually come back from the South, East or West meaning the birds are flying dead time !! So on the rare occasion from these shorter races, that my birds do actually come off the downs, I do think I actually have a chance of hitting the top :D and I've no doubt that if I'd put in some hard yards they may well have just done that ;)
I do enjoy winning, it's just these days I enjoy my bed a bit more :D :D
In all seriousness though I do need to look at my whole set up next year, even my car to make it a bit easier for me to train my birds a bit more.
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Well, you have choices to make Trev. The good news is that they are your choices and the success/failure of those choices lie solely in your hands. You have the option of doing nothing with regards to your setup next year, and if you don't it''s not unreasonable to expect the same thing next year. Only you can determine if you're satisfied with that.

I will address a couple of things (for clarity sake if nothing else)

1. Don't worry about the wind direction. You can't control it or influence it. There's nothing you can do about it; so you have to work with it, not against it.

2. I would say (in my opinion) that your YB are under-trained (especially compared to those boys who are fighting it out at the top of the sheet each week). Your YB are giving you their best, based on what you are giving them. They have the capabiity of coming on a good line each time that they go in the basket, but this "drilling" has not been instilled in them. As such they are learnng on the job. The ones that have any sense will sort it out sooner than the ones that are idiots - and we all have some of those. In the meantime however, mistakes are being made, "dead miles" are being flown and time is being lost.

3. You've said that it's the longer races that are yuor interest. I can appreciate and respect that. I was brought up in a house where my Dad's No.1 priority was to win the Longest Race of the Year. He had a family of pigeons (Van Hee) that excelled in that discipline and he prepared the pigeons in a way to ensure that his pigeons were in "super form" for the last month of the season.

4. You're fortunate in that you have Alan Still in your club. He offers you clarity on the way forward. It's very simple, if you were wanting to match him (and ideally beat him on a regular basis) then you have to match his attention to detail, his workrate and the type of pigeon that he works with. He's a good sprint flier with fundamentally fast pigeons. If he were racing against multi-National winners in your Club then I would bet every penny I had that 9/10 in races up to around 150 miles or so he'd pull their pants down every week. He has to - common sense dictates it National winners tend to be Middle-Long distance men. Stick those pigeons against a good sprinter in races up to 150 miles and it's men against boys. I know because I've done it myself.

5. Points Number 3 and 4 above basically feed into No.5. There's a decent enough chance that this more "relaxed" approach with the YB (open hole and feeding as much as they like etc) will reap its reward in the 216 ml race in a few weeks time. This is for several reasons. Hopefully the YB will be a bit more clued up by then - and this race has the potential to call upon a bit more stamina than they've been called on for before. We also need to respect that your biggest danger (Alan) I would say will be unlikely to send his entire team to that race. I certainly wouldn't feel the need to. It's 6 weeks into the season and by then I'm looking at my team and thinking "You, You, You, You, You, You and You - you're for next year - these others can contend the last races"

6. Potentially a bit more provocative this one. Some pigeons have come into the breeding team who are more suited to the faster/shorter races. I think this is a mistake. You've said yourself it's the Distance races you're interested in. It's one thing to house a faster sprint based pigeon, but if you don't work it like a good sprinter then the bloke down the road will, guess what? Yep, he'll pull your pants down every week in these races - because his focus and desire is these races. So me, If I were Distance minded I'd be saying to him "You can have these shorter races, I can't compete with you on these. But you see these longer races. They're MINE" and I'd make myself bloody hard to beat in those races. Better to be Master of one trade than Jack of none.

Good luck with your choices
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Well done Trev, Mike there are some very helpful pieces in there, thank you for sharing and offering advice all can take on board :D :D
Sadies Lofts home of decent birds just a useless loft manager, and now a confirmed loser but proud :D :D
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Well do Trev.
Some great feedback there Mike. Food for thought for all our members.
Back just enjoying club racing for the time being.
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Good advice Mike
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Trev
Mike will advise better than me but the training doesn’t need to be long so not to much time or fuel
I’m sure 15 miles 3-4 days would be fine
I go 18 miles but people in my fed go 35 -45 miles a day
I look at it 4 weeks before ybs start and 4-5 weeks during it I have to put the effort in , somedays at work I think sod it I have I got to train tonight but most days I actually look forward to it
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"Well, you have choices to make Trev. The good news is that they are your choices and the success/failure of those choices lie solely in your hands. You have the option of doing nothing with regards to your setup next year, and if you don't it''s not unreasonable to expect the same thing next year. Only you can determine if you're satisfied with that."

That post from Mike is a variation on the old saying about training. "If you were disappointed last season, and nothing has changed, prepare to be disappointed again".

The last few days have been a wake up call. The stunning successes of Forum member NeilA and the Gordon brothers in Ireland, and the great run by my Australian mate D. Cox have simply cemented the fact that if you are happy doing what you are doing, keep doing it.
However, if you want to constantly be at the top, a whole different mind set is required.

That said, T. Hodges had a very good win in a long old bird race, and is no fool. But we can assume, I think, that results over the whole season are pretty much dependent on effort put in.
Greetings from the land down under. :D
Blessed is he who expecteth nothing, for verily, he shall not be disappointed.
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trev
them new sprint birds which last week arrived high in percentages to the loft
Would it not be best to really make the effort for 3 weeks with them so they don’t get pulled about by others
Just so they get there line for next year
I fear without the daily short training them birds may not be any different on the short races next year to what you have and it won’t be to ybs to you could start again
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MIL wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 5:39 am Well, you have choices to make Trev. The good news is that they are your choices and the success/failure of those choices lie solely in your hands. You have the option of doing nothing with regards to your setup next year, and if you don't it''s not unreasonable to expect the same thing next year. Only you can determine if you're satisfied with that.

I will address a couple of things (for clarity sake if nothing else)

1. Don't worry about the wind direction. You can't control it or influence it. There's nothing you can do about it; so you have to work with it, not against it.

2. I would say (in my opinion) that your YB are under-trained (especially compared to those boys who are fighting it out at the top of the sheet each week). Your YB are giving you their best, based on what you are giving them. They have the capabiity of coming on a good line each time that they go in the basket, but this "drilling" has not been instilled in them. As such they are learnng on the job. The ones that have any sense will sort it out sooner than the ones that are idiots - and we all have some of those. In the meantime however, mistakes are being made, "dead miles" are being flown and time is being lost.

3. You've said that it's the longer races that are yuor interest. I can appreciate and respect that. I was brought up in a house where my Dad's No.1 priority was to win the Longest Race of the Year. He had a family of pigeons (Van Hee) that excelled in that discipline and he prepared the pigeons in a way to ensure that his pigeons were in "super form" for the last month of the season.

4. You're fortunate in that you have Alan Still in your club. He offers you clarity on the way forward. It's very simple, if you were wanting to match him (and ideally beat him on a regular basis) then you have to match his attention to detail, his workrate and the type of pigeon that he works with. He's a good sprint flier with fundamentally fast pigeons. If he were racing against multi-National winners in your Club then I would bet every penny I had that 9/10 in races up to around 150 miles or so he'd pull their pants down every week. He has to - common sense dictates it National winners tend to be Middle-Long distance men. Stick those pigeons against a good sprinter in races up to 150 miles and it's men against boys. I know because I've done it myself.

5. Points Number 3 and 4 above basically feed into No.5. There's a decent enough chance that this more "relaxed" approach with the YB (open hole and feeding as much as they like etc) will reap its reward in the 216 ml race in a few weeks time. This is for several reasons. Hopefully the YB will be a bit more clued up by then - and this race has the potential to call upon a bit more stamina than they've been called on for before. We also need to respect that your biggest danger (Alan) I would say will be unlikely to send his entire team to that race. I certainly wouldn't feel the need to. It's 6 weeks into the season and by then I'm looking at my team and thinking "You, You, You, You, You, You and You - you're for next year - these others can contend the last races"

6. Potentially a bit more provocative this one. Some pigeons have come into the breeding team who are more suited to the faster/shorter races. I think this is a mistake. You've said yourself it's the Distance races you're interested in. It's one thing to house a faster sprint based pigeon, but if you don't work it like a good sprinter then the bloke down the road will, guess what? Yep, he'll pull your pants down every week in these races - because his focus and desire is these races. So me, If I were Distance minded I'd be saying to him "You can have these shorter races, I can't compete with you on these. But you see these longer races. They're MINE" and I'd make myself bloody hard to beat in those races. Better to be Master of one trade than Jack of none.

Good luck with your choices
Thanks for your comments and advice Mike, as said before, I always appreciate others opinions and advice.
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Murray wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 9:11 am "Well, you have choices to make Trev. The good news is that they are your choices and the success/failure of those choices lie solely in your hands. You have the option of doing nothing with regards to your setup next year, and if you don't it''s not unreasonable to expect the same thing next year. Only you can determine if you're satisfied with that."

That post from Mike is a variation on the old saying about training. "If you were disappointed last season, and nothing has changed, prepare to be disappointed again".

The last few days have been a wake up call. The stunning successes of Forum member NeilA and the Gordon brothers in Ireland, and the great run by my Australian mate D. Cox have simply cemented the fact that if you are happy doing what you are doing, keep doing it.
However, if you want to constantly be at the top, a whole different mind set is required.

That said, T. Hodges had a very good win in a long old bird race, and is no fool. But we can assume, I think, that results over the whole season are pretty much dependent on effort put in.
Thanks Muzza, as always your comments and advice are valued too mate.
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