It's a shame we can't access the old Pigeon Chat posts. The majority of fanciers who said they had it were sprint men.
Wing lock
Goose just posted king that he had it and he is a very good distance fancier Mine never fly past 300 miles and have not had it
But mine never have to fly over 6-7hours really mostly 2-3 hours
You certainly don't like anybody having an opinion that differs from yours. Whilst keeping birds in MAY be a cause of wing lock. With the number of fanciers now keeping birds in you'd expect a larger number of fanciers to be have birds with it, and certainly a greater number of actual birds with it. You still have given no answer to why the vast majority of birds remain unaffected from long periods of confinement.
Having not had if in over 50 years, I must be doing something right
Likewise I've had them all my life too without having it
I just find it amusing that you make these rash statements emphasising the word SPRINT in one of your posts,, and when I ask you to evidence it the only avenue you can offer is one that is now permanently closed
I haven't had it but I'm aware of the threat. And when I guide peope who had pigeons suffer with it every year and then don't get it following my advice then that leads me to think that I too must be doing something right
I just find it amusing that you make these rash statements emphasising the word SPRINT in one of your posts,, and when I ask you to evidence it the only avenue you can offer is one that is now permanently closed
I haven't had it but I'm aware of the threat. And when I guide peope who had pigeons suffer with it every year and then don't get it following my advice then that leads me to think that I too must be doing something right
Rash? The vast majority of fanciers are now SPRINT. Anybody who thinks that confinement is the cause, can simply let them out over Winter. But if fanciers CAN and DO confine over Winter with ZERO problems, then confinement isn't the cause.MIL wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2024 3:40 pm Likewise I've had them all my life too without having it
I just find it amusing that you make these rash statements emphasising the word SPRINT in one of your posts,, and when I ask you to evidence it the only avenue you can offer is one that is now permanently closed
I haven't had it but I'm aware of the threat. And when I guide peope who had pigeons suffer with it every year and then don't get it following my advice then that leads me to think that I too must be doing something right
I welcome all sorts of opinions. To me, some are worth a lot more than others though
If you look at this thread you'll see the only person that I have questoned really is you; and that's because I basically don't agree with you
You can try and deflect all you want but you firmly implied by saying that this was basically a condition that sprint pigeons encountered more than their distance counterparts. I say that's bullshit. I know fanciers with distance and sprint pigeons that fall foul of this problem - and it is a problem
You've never had it and have never seen it in operation. I have and I've implemented strategies to minimise the risk of it. Now whether these pigeons ever really get over it you only found out when they're put under immense pressure in race conditions where the muscle is being called upon to exert above and beyond what's comfortable.
I could talk to you about exercise, hand bathing, dietary adjustment and blood thinning etc but what would be the point? I'm certainly not here to try and impress you and I don't even bother to try.
I've not really followed this thread as to be honest I have no idea what you are actually talking about, so I couldn't say if I've ever had it or not.
I have however, since starting up with birds again in 2016, had a few pigeons return from races that were then unable to even fly up off the floor let alone fly out.
Now as most of you know, from late March to October my birds are on an open loft, then from early October until March they are on lock down and only come out at weekends.
The first bird that I had trouble with was a Belgian stray, it came into me as youngsters and appeared to be fine and did have a couple of races, but as a yearling he would just randomly go off his wings and just drag them along the floor. I had to move him on as a two year old as the problem just didn't go away.
Two years ago I was given some youngsters by our club chairman, one of these I lost from its first race. This bird turned up a year later, it had clearly been out all this time as it hadn't finished the moult and was looking quite tatty. For months that bird couldn't fly up off the floor, eventually his condition did improve and he was able to start flying out again. This year I decided to try him on the road again, he had several races including Kelso 339miles and Crieff 407miles, I'm not sure that he will ever win anything but because of who he came from and what he did achieve this year I will take a couple of babies from him and see how they do.
I also have a youngster this year who was home on the day, albeit late, from the disastrous Bovingdon3 we had, that bird has dragged one wing ever since, it can get up to a low perch but only just, unfortunately this one probably will have to be moved on as I need to reduce my numbers.
I have had birds that have been completely flown out after a race but these would be the only ones that I would say that it had affected their wings.
I have however, since starting up with birds again in 2016, had a few pigeons return from races that were then unable to even fly up off the floor let alone fly out.
Now as most of you know, from late March to October my birds are on an open loft, then from early October until March they are on lock down and only come out at weekends.
The first bird that I had trouble with was a Belgian stray, it came into me as youngsters and appeared to be fine and did have a couple of races, but as a yearling he would just randomly go off his wings and just drag them along the floor. I had to move him on as a two year old as the problem just didn't go away.
Two years ago I was given some youngsters by our club chairman, one of these I lost from its first race. This bird turned up a year later, it had clearly been out all this time as it hadn't finished the moult and was looking quite tatty. For months that bird couldn't fly up off the floor, eventually his condition did improve and he was able to start flying out again. This year I decided to try him on the road again, he had several races including Kelso 339miles and Crieff 407miles, I'm not sure that he will ever win anything but because of who he came from and what he did achieve this year I will take a couple of babies from him and see how they do.
I also have a youngster this year who was home on the day, albeit late, from the disastrous Bovingdon3 we had, that bird has dragged one wing ever since, it can get up to a low perch but only just, unfortunately this one probably will have to be moved on as I need to reduce my numbers.
I have had birds that have been completely flown out after a race but these would be the only ones that I would say that it had affected their wings.