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Re: Dna Certificates

Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2024 3:58 pm
by Spieker-Loft
NeilA wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 11:53 am
Devo1956 wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 11:48 am I remember when i was at your lofts Leon, your Dad was telling me about the sex of the bird can be checked.
Was that by handling or DNA Devo
I know you can a couple of ways around the ringing age but would love to sex my older ybs each year
We have a couple methods to tell their age by young already by ourself. But sometimes to be 100% sure theres a place nearby we send 3 feathers to from the youngster and 2-3 days later we get back a certificate with the sex of the pigeon. Costs us about 10€

Re: Dna Certificates

Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2024 4:22 pm
by Spieker-Loft
Steve Howells wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 8:36 am
Spieker-Loft wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 2:00 am What is everyones thoughts on Dna Certificates for pigeons to ensure that the bird is 100% from said parents. Does it increase the pigeons value? Does it increase the trust for the customer? Or is it actually all for nothing
I wouldn’t spend any real money on a bird without it. All my breeders have one so I know exactly what I have. I have also tested all the breeds for the performance genes, and that has thrown up some interesting results.
Could you maybe tell me a bit more about the performance genes? Theres a company here that does them aswell and i was rather curious about it. Is it only for racing genes. or also for breeding? And what exactly does it tell you

Re: Dna Certificates

Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2024 5:28 pm
by Devo1956
A study demonstrated that racing pigeons with the T/T genotype showed significantly better racing performance in long distance races compared to those carrying G/G. This test determines which alleles are present and the possible outcomes are G/G, G/T and T/T.

https://www.feanixbio.com/pigeon-tests/ ... nd%20T%2FT.

Re: Dna Certificates

Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2024 5:34 pm
by Spieker-Loft
Interesting. The german company that does these offer such a varity of tests i might have to read through all of them

Re: Dna Certificates

Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2024 5:39 pm
by Devo1956
Spieker-Loft wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 5:34 pm Interesting. The german company that does these offer such a varity of tests i might have to read through all of them
Yes good to have a choice Leon, does it take long for results?

Re: Dna Certificates

Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2024 5:49 pm
by Spieker-Loft
Devo1956 wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 5:39 pm
Spieker-Loft wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 5:34 pm Interesting. The german company that does these offer such a varity of tests i might have to read through all of them
Yes good to have a choice Leon, does it take long for results?
I think its about 2 weeks until you get the results

Re: Dna Certificates

Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2024 5:49 pm
by Steve Howells
Spieker-Loft wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 4:22 pm
Steve Howells wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 8:36 am
Spieker-Loft wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 2:00 am What is everyones thoughts on Dna Certificates for pigeons to ensure that the bird is 100% from said parents. Does it increase the pigeons value? Does it increase the trust for the customer? Or is it actually all for nothing
I wouldn’t spend any real money on a bird without it. All my breeders have one so I know exactly what I have. I have also tested all the breeds for the performance genes, and that has thrown up some interesting results.
Could you maybe tell me a bit more about the performance genes? Theres a company here that does them aswell and i was rather curious about it. Is it only for racing genes. or also for breeding? And what exactly does it tell you
Hi Leon

I use this company https://www.neornilab.be/en/tests-testi ... genotyping They also give some information on the research you can also read it in Deutsch so it might be easier than me trying to explain it.

Re: Dna Certificates

Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2024 5:49 pm
by Steve Howells
Steve Howells wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 5:49 pm
Spieker-Loft wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 4:22 pm
Steve Howells wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 8:36 am

I wouldn’t spend any real money on a bird without it. All my breeders have one so I know exactly what I have. I have also tested all the breeds for the performance genes, and that has thrown up some interesting results.
Could you maybe tell me a bit more about the performance genes? Theres a company here that does them aswell and i was rather curious about it. Is it only for racing genes. or also for breeding? And what exactly does it tell you
Hi Leon

I use this company https://www.neornilab.be/en/tests-testi ... genotyping They also give some information on the research you can also read it in Deutsch so it might be easier than me trying to explain it.

Re: Dna Certificates

Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2024 5:58 pm
by Steve Howells
Devo1956 wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 5:28 pm A study demonstrated that racing pigeons with the T/T genotype showed significantly better racing performance in long distance races compared to those carrying G/G. This test determines which alleles are present and the possible outcomes are G/G, G/T and T/T.

https://www.feanixbio.com/pigeon-tests/ ... nd%20T%2FT.
I've just retired a 4 year old hen to stock, she's scored well on the road and two good places at 520 miles once 13hr48 on the wing only 5 fed birds on the day and once at 11hrs 45. She has tested AB for LDHA and TT for CRY1

Re: Dna Certificates

Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2024 6:18 pm
by MIL
The best I know at this sort of thing is Ruben Lanckriet

We were on the PIPA forum together about 20 years ago

https://www.pigen.be/about-pigen