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Re: DEEP KEELS

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 6:18 pm
by MIL
I never had many deep keeled pigeons, but I remember my 2002 cock "Hagrid" being very deep

Mind you, he was a monster in every regard. My biggest concern each week was getting him in/out the basket he was so big

The mother of "Champion Houdini" was by far the deepest keeled pigeon I ever handled in my life - but she was also the most charismatic

Re: DEEP KEELS

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 6:38 pm
by Devo1956
NeilA wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2024 6:01 pm Sorry Devo are you saying distance pigeons are better if deep keeled due to storing more fat as they are deep ?
What i would say Neil, most Large birds with deep keel. I have found some good distance birds. and also different birds burn food in different ways. And again it is how you feed, some birds eat more than others.

Re: DEEP KEELS

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 7:54 pm
by NeilA
Not sure in that mate
I stand to be corrected but I can’t see fat for energy being store in the breast meat

Re: DEEP KEELS

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 8:05 pm
by Devo1956
NeilA wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2024 7:54 pm Not sure in that mate
I stand to be corrected but I can’t see fat for energy being store in the breast meat
Neil it may just be myself at present, so much going on. But hey that is life, i must say you always make a good topic mate.

Re: DEEP KEELS

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 8:09 pm
by Spieker-Loft
Alot of the hardy kruger pigeons i handled are very deep keeled. The ones i have myself are aswell. Done me good so far tho on short and on "long" distance. I dont like the way they handle to much when they have a deep keel but besides that atleast so far i cant seem to see a difference in races wether deep or not deep keel

Re: DEEP KEELS

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 8:12 pm
by NeilA
Devo1956 wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2024 8:05 pm
NeilA wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2024 7:54 pm Not sure in that mate
I stand to be corrected but I can’t see fat for energy being store in the breast meat
Neil it may just be myself at present, so much going on. But hey that is life, i must say you always make a good topic mate.
I see a deep keeled bird needing more effort to get itself through the air so a distance bird with a deep keel would need more fat stored
I don’t know if they store fat in flesh I thought wild bird stored it under the skin but again could be wrong

Re: DEEP KEELS

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 8:22 pm
by Devo1956
NeilA wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2024 8:12 pm
Devo1956 wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2024 8:05 pm
NeilA wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2024 7:54 pm Not sure in that mate
I stand to be corrected but I can’t see fat for energy being store in the breast meat
Neil it may just be myself at present, so much going on. But hey that is life, i must say you always make a good topic mate.
I see a deep keeled bird needing more effort to get itself through the air so a distance bird with a deep keel would need more fat stored
I don’t know if they store fat in flesh I thought wild bird stored it under the skin but again could be wrong
I would say, racing pigeons burn up food in a race by switching from carbohydrates to fat for fuel:

Re: DEEP KEELS

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 8:33 pm
by NeilA
Obviously Devo carbs to fat on a race it still had to be stored but where is it like wild birds under the skin ?
a breast on a chicken has the less fat than any part of the bird hence why it goes dry quickly when cooked I thought

Re: DEEP KEELS

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 9:17 pm
by Devo1956
NeilA wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2024 8:33 pm Obviously Devo carbs to fat on a race it still had to be stored but where is it like wild birds under the skin ?
a breast on a chicken has the less fat than any part of the bird hence why it goes dry quickly when cooked I thought
Racing pigeons, like other pigeons, store food in their crop:
The crop is where food is temporarily held before it moves through the digestive system.

Also it depends how you cook the breast of chicken Neil.

Re: DEEP KEELS

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 9:20 pm
by MIL
Diamond Dave wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2024 2:14 pm I'm sure I've read somewhere that deep keeled birds are easier to condition?
What are ppls thoughts......

If anything I would've thought they were harder to condition if anything