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Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2025 11:21 am**

MIL wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2025 5:10 pm Well you've a G.Daughter of this breeding hen at Stock already and she's bred what? 4 or 5 x 1st Federation winners?

Hence if someone wants to give me 8/1 that there won't be a winner in this kit of 8 then I'll have a sizeable wager on that

Yes she’s a excellent hen for me and bred my mate Albert fed and section winner in the combine

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2025 2:16 pm**

NeilA wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 9:05 am What bloodlines are they Dave

Niether of them were big on strains of birds but before they partnered up Dave McSween had a pigeon called 'Lionheart' which scored 8 times in the UNC. I know that they also had a daughter off of the infamous 'Wearside Lass'.
More recently (3 years ago) they swapped YBs with a fella from Holland (Jim had been out to visit him on a couple of occasions).His name is Rieks Lonsaine and he just went on to win the International from Marseille with a pigeon called Blue Lucy.
Jim had finished with the birds by then and I had the pleasure of telling him.
They were all about the distance and flew with the Sportsmans Arms in the NFC.
They are one of just a handful of fanciers in this country that regularly had ybs over 400 miles.
Lovely people, very good flyers. Never SOLD a pigeon.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2025 3:11 pm**

Diamond Dave wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 2:16 pm
NeilA wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 9:05 am What bloodlines are they Dave
Niether of them were big on strains of birds but before they partnered up Dave McSween had a pigeon called 'Lionheart' which scored 8 times in the UNC. I know that they also had a daughter off of the infamous 'Wearside Lass'.
More recently (3 years ago) they swapped YBs with a fella from Holland (Jim had been out to visit him on a couple of occasions).His name is Rieks Lonsaine and he just went on to win the International from Marseille with a pigeon called Blue Lucy.
Jim had finished with the birds by then and I had the pleasure of telling him.
They were all about the distance and flew with the Sportsmans Arms in the NFC.
They are one of just a handful of fanciers in this country that regularly had ybs over 400 miles.
Lovely people, very good flyers. Never SOLD a pigeon.

They sound perfect for your plans mate

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2025 3:39 pm**

Best of luck with them Dave.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2025 4:53 pm**

If I remember going back they had a ybs fly over 400mls in the NFC, & if I've got this right in conversation with Jim it was from Padfield lines from the House of Aarden.
Said I'd look at some Peds I have from Dave & Jim as maybe similar to the stock Dave has, I bought them in from Sportsman Club Breeder buyer sale more distance lines, red cock & Mealy hen.
Regards Dave.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2025 5:35 pm**

NeilA wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 3:11 pm
Diamond Dave wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 2:16 pm [quote=NeilA post_id=35449 time=1736499906

They sound perfect for your plans mate
Hope so mate. As well as the pair for the stock shed, they gave me a young 24 hen to try to break out. She is the only one that Dave got back from the NFC dreadful Falaise race (430miles) this year. Amazing performance for a YB.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2025 7:19 pm**

That’s sounds positive and very good of him

Posted: **Sat Jan 11, 2025 7:12 am**

Hope they do well for you

Posted: **Sat Jan 11, 2025 7:28 am**

Reading this discussion and feeling a little bit like I'm a spare part!

I'm glad you have some high quality stock to work with, Dave.
Here's the truth, you will never breed better pigeons than what you breed from. You are starting with some beauties!
Best of luck!

Posted: **Sat Jan 11, 2025 8:04 am**

Murray wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2025 7:28 am Reading this discussion and feeling a little bit like I'm a spare part!
I'm glad you have some high quality stock to work with, Dave.
Here's the truth, you will never breed better pigeons than what you breed from. You are starting with some beauties!
Best of luck!

I don’t agree with the last bit of your comment Murray. I’m a bit surprised with your experience with both pigeons and race horses that you say this.
If this was the case the quality of pigeons would never improve, you would only be breeding the same pigeon that was being bred many generations ago.
My view and approach is the opposite. My main interest is in the breeding. All the racing does is gives you an insight as to how your family is improving, or not. Racing is just a tool for selection. I’m not interested in buying in pigeons just to win races. Winning is easy if you have the time and money. Many “top” fliers can only stay there by constantly bringing in new stock because they have little idea of how to breed successive generations. What I look for each year is to be breeding better than what I have out of what I have. I’m not worried if I’m not winning every week as long as they are improving each generation. Some will some won’t. That’s where selection is needed. Getting to the top is easy if you’re just buying in pigeons that others have developed. Staying there is another matter if you don’t have the parents and grandparents of the winners. I have always thought I could take a couple of handful’s of streeters and through constant testing manage to get a family of “winners”. Let’s face it that’s what our predecessors did. That’s how our dad stated as a teenager. A couple of orange boxes screwed onto the wall with pigeons collected off the local factories.

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