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Re: Race corn

Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2025 8:00 pm
by Trev
Buster121 wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2025 4:00 pm Her is an email I received today

February marks the start of the 2025 racing season. Time to make plans and get your pigeons ready for a successful season.
Here is some important advice for the next few weeks anyway.

From weaning onwards, the young pigeons are given Young birds racing Exclusive No. 37 or Junior Pro Revolution No. 49, which they must eat completely after the first 2 weeks before they are given an extra portion. These mixtures feature the perfect ratio of legumes, fats, proteins and carbohydrates. We can safely feed these mixtures to the young pigeons as a racing mixture throughout the week up to and including the first speed races. Because this mixture also contains enough fibre, the youngsters' intestinal flora remains healthy. Every day they get Health Balance in the drinking water and a portion of Super Grit Mix, twice a week HYP 100 goes in the drinking water and for Junior Flight Exclusive users Endurance+ may be added to the feed moistened with Bronchostar. With Junior Revolution this is not necessary as the pro immune pellet already contains the necessary vitamins and probiotics.

We give the old racers a modified mixture from the weaning of their youngsters until they are released daily again. Winter/Rust No. 16 is ideally suited for this purpose. It contains little or no legumes but the necessary fibres that are essential for this time of year. With this mixture, we strengthen the pigeons for the coming racing season and they will be in condition as soon as the races start. For the racers who are back in the rhythm of daily training and ready to start training flights, it is time to choose a light sport mixture. For the hens this is Lady Mix No. 56 and for the cocks Sport Light Pro Revolution or Depurative Casaert No. 418. For the speed virtuosos who want to be there straight away on the first flights, the new Speed Pro Revolution is the ideal mixture from the training flights onwards. Daily distribution of a portion of Super Grit Mix, Health Balance in the drinking water and a weekly bath with Vanrobaeys Bath Salts promote the health of your pigeons. For further flight schedules with customised advice for each distance visit our website or send us an email.

Tip: Use Health Balance in high dosage 4 ml./1 litre for a week and then 2 ml. daily to get rid of the old fuzz and to get the pigeons tight again.

Good luck and sporting greetings,
Guy Van der Auwera
Interesting read, cheers for that Buster.

Re: Race corn

Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2025 8:08 pm
by Murray
NeilA wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2025 2:04 pm Have members sorted there race corn or corns out for late March time what brands or types
I’m still going light high carb no peas just fats on return and I am going to try to judge there use in the week better
Normally I go 10 pc Wednesday then 20- 30 Thursday
Last year I left 20 percent in from
Monday for the babies and they flew for fun doing a hour still on the 6th race which my naturals don’t normally do after about race 3 so that was nice and easy
Not sure how that works with old birds though
You're a tiger for punishment, it won't be long before someone tells you you are wrong! :lol:

Re: Race corn

Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2025 8:16 pm
by Trev
NeilA wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2025 2:04 pm Have members sorted there race corn or corns out for late March time what brands or types
I’m still going light high carb no peas just fats on return and I am going to try to judge there use in the week better
Normally I go 10 pc Wednesday then 20- 30 Thursday
Last year I left 20 percent in from
Monday for the babies and they flew for fun doing a hour still on the 6th race which my naturals don’t normally do after about race 3 so that was nice and easy
Not sure how that works with old birds though
I have to say I pay no attention to how much Protein, Carbohydrates, fats etc etc are in a bag of corn, I just go with a mix that I like the look of.
I used to feed Gem mixes but they've just got too expensive, I now use mixes from SS Seeds as a few of us at the club join together to order a pallet load. I feed an all rounder mix over the winter with added barley. Now I'm preparing for breeding I will stay on the all rounder, but will reduce the barley and start hopper feeding beans.
A couple of weeks before racing I'll start using a combination of SS regal and SS sport, as well as hopper feeding the beans. The birds also get a trapping/conditioning mix once a week as well as a multi mix, either Gem or Versalaga. They also get Iodised black minerals add lib as well as peanuts, sunflower hearts and a couple of lettuces weekly.
I try to keep things as simple as possible.

Re: Race corn

Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2025 8:20 pm
by NeilA
Murray wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2025 8:08 pm
NeilA wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2025 2:04 pm Have members sorted there race corn or corns out for late March time what brands or types
I’m still going light high carb no peas just fats on return and I am going to try to judge there use in the week better
Normally I go 10 pc Wednesday then 20- 30 Thursday
Last year I left 20 percent in from
Monday for the babies and they flew for fun doing a hour still on the 6th race which my naturals don’t normally do after about race 3 so that was nice and easy
Not sure how that works with old birds though
You're a tiger for punishment, it won't be long before someone tells you you are wrong! :lol:
Happy to be told I’m wrong as long as there is back up in results to show me the errors of my ways

Re: Race corn

Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2025 8:34 pm
by NeilA
Trev wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2025 8:16 pm
NeilA wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2025 2:04 pm Have members sorted there race corn or corns out for late March time what brands or types
I’m still going light high carb no peas just fats on return and I am going to try to judge there use in the week better
Normally I go 10 pc Wednesday then 20- 30 Thursday
Last year I left 20 percent in from
Monday for the babies and they flew for fun doing a hour still on the 6th race which my naturals don’t normally do after about race 3 so that was nice and easy
Not sure how that works with old birds though
I have to say I pay no attention to how much Protein, Carbohydrates, fats etc etc are in a bag of corn, I just go with a mix that I like the look of.
I used to feed Gem mixes but they've just got too expensive, I now use mixes from SS Seeds as a few of us at the club join together to order a pallet load. I feed an all rounder mix over the winter with added barley. Now I'm preparing for breeding I will stay on the all rounder, but will reduce the barley and start hopper feeding beans.
A couple of weeks before racing I'll start using a combination of SS regal and SS sport, as well as hopper feeding the beans. The birds also get a trapping/conditioning mix once a week as well as a multi mix, either Gem or Versalaga. They also get Iodised black minerals add lib as well as peanuts, sunflower hearts and a couple of lettuces weekly.
I try to keep things as simple as possible.
I don’t really know them mixtures Trev do you feed them to appetite then leave them on beans

Re: Race corn

Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2025 10:12 pm
by Murray
I think you can focus too much on the composition of feed. The vital thing is finding what works for you. A bloke with early youngsters that are being trained hard and often will probably end up settling on a heavier feed than someone with later bred youngsters that are getting short tosses.
People say there is no wrong way of feeding pigeons. There is.
You have to work out what suits your system. Some of you in the UK would be horrified by what I feed mine. But it's hot and dry and they don't need filling up on high energy feed. They would just turn it into fat. They won't eat it anyway.
You have to feed to suit your pigeons and your methods. Get that right and you are on the right track. Just because someone else is winning races on "Super Extra Speedy" doesn't mean you will.

Re: Race corn

Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2025 10:31 pm
by NeilA
Murray wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2025 10:12 pm I think you can focus too much on the composition of feed. The vital thing is finding what works for you. A bloke with early youngsters that are being trained hard and often will probably end up settling on a heavier feed than someone with later bred youngsters that are getting short tosses.
People say there is no wrong way of feeding pigeons. There is.
You have to work out what suits your system. Some of you in the UK would be horrified by what I feed mine. But it's hot and dry and they don't need filling up on high energy feed. They would just turn it into fat. They won't eat it anyway.
You have to feed to suit your pigeons and your methods. Get that right and you are on the right track. Just because someone else is winning races on "Super Extra Speedy" doesn't mean you will.
Totally agree
I start at low protein high carb as a base then adjust for my racers

Re: Race corn

Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2025 9:07 am
by NeilA
Trev wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2025 8:16 pm
NeilA wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2025 2:04 pm Have members sorted there race corn or corns out for late March time what brands or types
I’m still going light high carb no peas just fats on return and I am going to try to judge there use in the week better
Normally I go 10 pc Wednesday then 20- 30 Thursday
Last year I left 20 percent in from
Monday for the babies and they flew for fun doing a hour still on the 6th race which my naturals don’t normally do after about race 3 so that was nice and easy
Not sure how that works with old birds though
I have to say I pay no attention to how much Protein, Carbohydrates, fats etc etc are in a bag of corn, I just go with a mix that I like the look of.
I used to feed Gem mixes but they've just got too expensive, I now use mixes from SS Seeds as a few of us at the club join together to order a pallet load. I feed an all rounder mix over the winter with added barley. Now I'm preparing for breeding I will stay on the all rounder, but will reduce the barley and start hopper feeding beans.
A couple of weeks before racing I'll start using a combination of SS regal and SS sport, as well as hopper feeding the beans. The birds also get a trapping/conditioning mix once a week as well as a multi mix, either Gem or Versalaga. They also get Iodised black minerals add lib as well as peanuts, sunflower hearts and a couple of lettuces weekly.
I try to keep things as simple as possible.
What’s the SS mixtures like Trev are they nice and clean
I was looking at a few of there lighter mixtures and looked decent in the photos
Did you get your beans from them ? I purchased a bag of Bamfords beans recently as the farms stopped selling them and I wasn’t to impressed with them

Re: Race corn

Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2025 9:24 am
by Trev
NeilA wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2025 9:07 am
Trev wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2025 8:16 pm
NeilA wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2025 2:04 pm Have members sorted there race corn or corns out for late March time what brands or types
I’m still going light high carb no peas just fats on return and I am going to try to judge there use in the week better
Normally I go 10 pc Wednesday then 20- 30 Thursday
Last year I left 20 percent in from
Monday for the babies and they flew for fun doing a hour still on the 6th race which my naturals don’t normally do after about race 3 so that was nice and easy
Not sure how that works with old birds though
I have to say I pay no attention to how much Protein, Carbohydrates, fats etc etc are in a bag of corn, I just go with a mix that I like the look of.
I used to feed Gem mixes but they've just got too expensive, I now use mixes from SS Seeds as a few of us at the club join together to order a pallet load. I feed an all rounder mix over the winter with added barley. Now I'm preparing for breeding I will stay on the all rounder, but will reduce the barley and start hopper feeding beans.
A couple of weeks before racing I'll start using a combination of SS regal and SS sport, as well as hopper feeding the beans. The birds also get a trapping/conditioning mix once a week as well as a multi mix, either Gem or Versalaga. They also get Iodised black minerals add lib as well as peanuts, sunflower hearts and a couple of lettuces weekly.
I try to keep things as simple as possible.
What’s the SS mixtures like Trev are they nice and clean
I was looking at a few of there lighter mixtures and looked decent in the photos
Did you get your beans from them ? I purchased a bag of Bamfords beans recently as the farms stopped selling them and I wasn’t to impressed with them
Yes Neil, they are a very nice and clean mix and yes the beans did come from them too. As I say, quite a few of our club members are using their corn now as we can get together and buy it in bulk, for those who are interested they do give a nutritional break down of some of there mixes, you can also buy straights from them and other pigeon products too. Our top sprint man, Alan Sill, feeds there Breed and Speed mix, it's nothing fancy and one of of the cheaper mixes but he seems to do rather well on it. He also buys the no maize which he feeds his babies, others prefer different mixes, I think we had about 8 different mixes on the last delivery, as Muzza says, it's just a matter of choice really. Most of our Federation members use Bamfords or Country wide, also nice mixes and not too pricey, you just have to find someone who can get it in bulk.
Beans are a problem this year as it was a bad cropping season due to it being so wet, there are a lot of bad beans around, the Beans we got were good but a bit more expensive as they had to be brought in especially and dried.

Re: Race corn

Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2025 9:28 am
by Trev
NeilA wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2025 8:34 pm
Trev wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2025 8:16 pm
NeilA wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2025 2:04 pm Have members sorted there race corn or corns out for late March time what brands or types
I’m still going light high carb no peas just fats on return and I am going to try to judge there use in the week better
Normally I go 10 pc Wednesday then 20- 30 Thursday
Last year I left 20 percent in from
Monday for the babies and they flew for fun doing a hour still on the 6th race which my naturals don’t normally do after about race 3 so that was nice and easy
Not sure how that works with old birds though
I have to say I pay no attention to how much Protein, Carbohydrates, fats etc etc are in a bag of corn, I just go with a mix that I like the look of.
I used to feed Gem mixes but they've just got too expensive, I now use mixes from SS Seeds as a few of us at the club join together to order a pallet load. I feed an all rounder mix over the winter with added barley. Now I'm preparing for breeding I will stay on the all rounder, but will reduce the barley and start hopper feeding beans.
A couple of weeks before racing I'll start using a combination of SS regal and SS sport, as well as hopper feeding the beans. The birds also get a trapping/conditioning mix once a week as well as a multi mix, either Gem or Versalaga. They also get Iodised black minerals add lib as well as peanuts, sunflower hearts and a couple of lettuces weekly.
I try to keep things as simple as possible.
I don’t really know them mixtures Trev do you feed them to appetite then leave them on beans
I feed between 1.25 and 1.5 ounces per bird daily mate, this time of year they get it all once a day, I'll adjust each morning if there is anything left from the day before. Once the evenings get a bit lighter I'll go back to twice a day feeding, the beans are there all day and topped up every morning.