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Re: Any Eye Sign Specialists
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2024 8:26 am
by NeilA
NeilA wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 1:08 pm
I forgot eye 7 he has been a good racer but new to stock as I don’t breed off the racers as such
Andy
On eye 7 just for example after the washer we have two colours and it seems most of my pigeons / all pigeons do
what are you looking for in that area
If when you have time you could give me a insight into what you look for is it how the colours merge or width of colours or shapes
that would be kind then at least I have a idea what hens I should breed from as with racing cocks more than hens it would be handy to combine that with my other selection ideas
Re: Any Eye Sign Specialists
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2024 9:26 am
by NeilA
Could you look at this one Andy for a breeding eye
Re: Any Eye Sign Specialists
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2024 9:27 am
by NeilA
What that be to much shading or is that natural colour and not shade in the washer
Re: Any Eye Sign Specialists
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2024 3:57 pm
by Andy
NeilA wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 8:26 am
NeilA wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 1:08 pm
I forgot eye 7 he has been a good racer but new to stock as I don’t breed off the racers as such
Andy
On eye 7 just for example after the washer we have two colours and it seems most of my pigeons / all pigeons do
what are you looking for in that area
If when you have time you could give me a insight into what you look for is it how the colours merge or width of colours or shapes
that would be kind then at least I have a idea what hens I should breed from as with racing cocks more than hens it would be handy to combine that with my other selection ideas
Ok Neil. All pigeons will have 2 colours beyond the inner circle, it’s the extent of covering by the iris that I look for. Generally the heavier the covering the less I like them for breeding, however these will still race well.
Look at the eye as a collage. You have a base colour, the circle of colouration. So let’s assume that this covers the whole eye and is laid over a central post, the pupil. Then over that layer we lay the inner circle, also around the post. So this has covered part of the base colour. Then around the outer part of the collage we place another layer, the iris, a colour different to the base colour. The extent to which we cover the base colour with this colour depends on how much we add. Hope this makes sense.
So after the inner circle what I look for is that the iris doesn’t cover to much of the base colour so allowing more to be added at a later date. I also like to see the iris looking like it has been dabbed onto the circle of colouration leaving some parts thicker than others, like blobs of paint making these bits looking raised from the surface, mountainous. I like to see parts of the base colour showing through the iris in places forming what looks like valleys. It’s also nice to see thin lines of the iris colour, veins, running over the base colour. Well illustrated in the first eye from King. There are a few other things that also are nice to see like graining and ripples but that will just confuse things at present.
I do hope that you can make sense of all this and understand what I’m trying to say and how you can one eyesign to compliment another. Fuller eyes going to those with room to absorb some of fullness.
Re: Any Eye Sign Specialists
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2024 4:01 pm
by NeilA
Andy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 3:57 pm
NeilA wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 8:26 am
NeilA wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 1:08 pm
I forgot eye 7 he has been a good racer but new to stock as I don’t breed off the racers as such
Andy
On eye 7 just for example after the washer we have two colours and it seems most of my pigeons / all pigeons do
what are you looking for in that area
If when you have time you could give me a insight into what you look for is it how the colours merge or width of colours or shapes
that would be kind then at least I have a idea what hens I should breed from as with racing cocks more than hens it would be handy to combine that with my other selection ideas
Ok Neil. All pigeons will have 2 colours beyond the inner circle, it’s the extent of covering by the iris that I look for. Generally the heavier the covering the less I like them for breeding, however these will still race well.
Look at the eye as a collage. You have a base colour, the circle of colouration. So let’s assume that this covers the whole eye and is laid over a central post, the pupil. Then over that layer we lay the inner circle, also around the post. So this has covered part of the base colour. Then around the outer part of the collage we place another layer, the iris, a colour different to the base colour. The extent to which we cover the base colour with this colour depends on how much we add. Hope this makes sense.
So after the inner circle what I look for is that the iris doesn’t cover to much of the base colour so allowing more to be added at a later date. I also like to see the iris looking like it has been dabbed onto the circle of colouration leaving some parts thicker than others, like blobs of paint making these bits looking raised from the surface, mountainous. I like to see parts of the base colour showing through the iris in places forming what looks like valleys. It’s also nice to see thin lines of the iris colour, veins, running over the base colour. Well illustrated in the first eye from King. There are a few other things that also are nice to see like graining and ripples but that will just confuse things at present.
I do hope that you can make sense of all this and understand what I’m trying to say and how you can one eyesign to compliment another. Fuller eyes going to those with room to absorb some of fullness.
It will need to to read over a few times Andy as it’s it’s all new to me and the brain isn’t what it was
Re: Any Eye Sign Specialists
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2024 4:17 pm
by Andy
NeilA wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 9:27 am
What that be to much shading or is that natural colour and not shade in the washer
Can I ask first off has this pigeon got any pied in it. You say a blue but is it a blue pied or blue w/f. I ask that because of what appears to be dark shading breaking out into the eye between 6 o’clock and 8 o’clock. This could be a bit of the bull eye eyesign coming in which you can get with pied, W/F pigeons. As far as the rest of the inner circle is concerned it is of a dark violet and not dark shading. It is anlso nicely serrated around the top. The outer parts of the eye have what I am looking for. The violet is showing through the iris which is dark red and raised, mountainous.
Re: Any Eye Sign Specialists
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2024 4:55 pm
by NeilA
It’s a blue but there is a cheq pied as a grandsire
Re: Any Eye Sign Specialists
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2024 8:20 am
by Diamond Dave
For Andy, is this what you mean about the colour showing through
Re: Any Eye Sign Specialists
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2024 8:31 am
by Diamond Dave
Thanks lads the text in the pic post was just to test.
Thanks everyone.
My question for Andy was - is this where you like to see the colour showing through to select your breeders?
Re: Any Eye Sign Specialists
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2024 8:42 am
by Andy
Yes Dave. If the iris is too full it has no room for improvement and unable to absorb anything from another strong eye.
This is the eye of one of my friends best stock hens.
You can see the violet easily with not much iris to cover it.