Respiratory

[goose1]

Yes Goose I agree the best there is in my view . Mark was only mentioned in reply to kings method of not racing his young birds knowing that Marks the opposite and gets great success that way the topic went off subject there
But back to the medication can I ask do you not have concerns about your birds mixing Fridays ? That’s my big worry so I stick to a treatment cycle of course it falls down when your treating for canker Monday when there been next to birds full of worms etc
I’m not racing my cocks these last 5 weeks due to circumstances with my mums illness and the peregrine attacks getting to me but if I was I would be treating now that would probably be only 4 canker treatments 4 respo treatments etc over the summer say one monthly
How would you cover these things off or do you not particularly worry ? I know you win well so be interested in your view on how you manage your team

You boys know far more about medication than I do and to be honest I've no desire to become clued up on it, the day I have to medicate constantly to win is the day I'll be finishing. We rely on the pigeons natural immunity, to me and obviously it's only my opinion you can't beat a naturally strong pigeon. But we do use a good avian vet from Ireland who I'm guessing you lads will know. He does the usual checks for anything and everything usually about the 3rd week in March. There's usually nothing wrong although a couple of years back we did have a slight issue with fungal. I'll be honest this year we did treat for respiratory it was just a feeling we had through observation and to be honest the only other thing we do all year apart from a worm treatment in January is a 5 day ctreatment for canker 3rd week in May. We're definitely no world beaters but we like to be competitive with old birds from first race to last. I just think reading a lot of your posts you torture yourself overthinking the job. Your clearly a good flyer It's a simple game enjoy it

Just small percentage gains really Goose is way I go about it
It’s not torture more interest and strive to do better before it’s all gone although some days it feels like torture
unfortunately my game is on its arse with local racing in tight feds . Less fanciers less clubs plus a area that races bith ways with not enough fanciers so you end up with radius where it’s over before the lib on the short ones or stick with what you have
I’m a bit stuck as I can only get in this club but it is what it is so maybe I have 5 years left to fly
Respo is interesting as I looked into getting tested for that but it’s not cheap unless I looked in the wrong places and that is one that scares me as you can get 2-3 crap weeks if you not on it as you know
Thanks for the info on your system

I do enjoy your posts you keep this site going as you did pigeon chat. Your clearly on the job and you deserve the success you get.

[NeilA]

Very kind of you Goose

[MIL]

Hi Gavin

I appreciate and applaud your desire to try and be competitive from first race to last

The birds you've acquired have a great chance of helping you achieve those goals

The fact that you're worming, cankering and seeking the services of an Avian Vet to be show you're interested in getting the best out of your birds

That's to be applauded

[Murray]

I can agree with you Andy that we all have our own ways of keeping and managing our birds, and its up to each person to determinev how happy they are.
Me, I'm not going to try and persuade you to change your ways because firstly I know I'm wasting my time, and secondly I know you're happy with the way you do things

Murray, I appreciate what you're saying about the racing over there being so open. Me, I grew up competing in the polar opposite environment
Rugeley is a mining town in Staffordshire and at our peak we had 88 members sending over 1,000 birds a week in the 1970's
The radius of the club was only 1 mile circular from the Town Hall. I could see 37 lofts from my back garden
Let me tell you, you didn't need to go to clock opening to understand if you were behind or not.
You knew within 20 secs of the 1st bird arriving if you were close or not
If your birds missed and did a whip round or two you were toast - simple as that
That's the environment I was nurtured in

I sold my own birds in 2007 but I'm still involved in the game through various means, doing online auctions and helping friends out with advice when they want it
Let me tell you a true story, because it has an impact on what we're discussing
Phil Bourke had bought birds off our partnership years ago but I wouldn't say I knew him very well
About 2.5 years ago a van went off the road at 60mph, went through a stone wall and crashed into the 3 cars on my drive
It was only the cars being there that stopped it coming through the house
To cut a long story short when the insurers gave me the nod I got Phil to do all the repair work on the house and wall
That's where the relationship got stronger
We'd talk pigeons daily, and he'd hear me on the phone to Gordon Bros daily (because we always speak daily and have done for over 20 years)
At that point I think Phil got his eyes opened in terms of "mindset" and "attention to detail".



So, from the start of the 2022 season I started to help Phil a little with medications/supplements and such like
Prior to that, with respect, Phil wasn't winning many cards and races a year
With the same set of pigeons Phil hasn now won 30 x 1st since the start of the 2022 season
So the way I fly pigeons might not be everyone's cup of tea but I know what works and what doesn't
I don't do pigeons to make up the numbers

Last week Phil decided he wasn't loving the weather and left the cocks at home and only sent hens
His hens were 2nd and 4th and their velocity would've won 4 or 5 Clubs locally
That didn't make them good birds, far from it
When I sae the cocks droppings on Sunday morning (see below) I didn't like them - especially as they hadn't raced on Saturday
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I sent them to 4-5 trusted friends who didn't feel there was too much amiss though.
Nonetheless I'm prepared to back my instincts and I told Phil we needed to intervene - and whilst we're at it sort the hens out too
You can see this weeks result on the "Guess the time" thread
You can also see the droppings on Friday below too - I'm much happier with them.

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My birds never lived on medication, and neither do Phil's, but I will be proactive and step in if I feel it necessary
My experience has taught me that if you wanna race here in Rugeley on clean food and clean water all the time not only will you not win you'll get destroyed
Not only will you get beat but you'll go home with 50 shades of naff all in your arse pocket
How do I know this? I've seen dozens of local fanciers fly that way against the "proactive" lofts and they eaten alive ALL THE TIME
That's why I am the way I am and I believe what i believe and if you wanna be competitive all the time then you have to be proactive
Bury your head if you like, but against good competition you'll invariably come unstuck

I was out in the chook shed this morning feeding and scraping out, and looking at the droppings reminded me of this topic.
These are pigeons that have been locked up in an old hen house for 6 months getting a light mix and vegetables and a bit of garlic and cider vinegar.
Not much wrong with those droppings.

[MIL]

No there's nothing much of concern there

The presence of garlic and cider vinegar isn't hurting anyone

[NeilA]

He is King very top level with winning long distance pigeons , he sends to win not to complete the distance that’s no good to him
If I went into that I would go straight to him for stock
He’s a name you would know well his father founded the pigeons in the 60’s originally in the Wescott pigeons and over time winning lines have been added
to what is his own family really

I'm guessing that's Mark Bulled

See Marks 12th bicc pau today with his single entry

Really is a super fancier to send one and get it high in the result
Fingers crossed for his main focus at the nfc with his team

[goose1]

He is King very top level with winning long distance pigeons , he sends to win not to complete the distance that’s no good to him
If I went into that I would go straight to him for stock
He’s a name you would know well his father founded the pigeons in the 60’s originally in the Wescott pigeons and over time winning lines have been added
to what is his own family really

I'm guessing that's Mark Bulled

See Marks 12th bicc pau today with his single entry

Really is a super fancier to send one and get it high in the result
Fingers crossed for his main focus at the nfc with his team

Yeah seen that. Some fancier and a real good, tough family of pigeons.

The lad that won that race really has burst onto the scene these last couple of seasons.

[king]

I'm guessing that's Mark Bulled

See Marks 12th bicc pau today with his single entry

Really is a super fancier to send one and get it high in the result
Fingers crossed for his main focus at the nfc with his team

Yeah seen that. Some fancier and a real good, tough family of pigeons.

The lad that won that race really has burst onto the scene these last couple of seasons.

And with the longest flying bird on the result too. Hope I don't set him back with the team of YBs I give him this year

[NeilA]

I'm guessing that's Mark Bulled

See Marks 12th bicc pau today with his single entry

Really is a super fancier to send one and get it high in the result
Fingers crossed for his main focus at the nfc with his team

Yeah seen that. Some fancier and a real good, tough family of pigeons.

The lad that won that race really has burst onto the scene these last couple of seasons.

Your right and that lads bird has got legacy / die hard blood in it I believe

[NeilA]

See Marks 12th bicc pau today with his single entry

Really is a super fancier to send one and get it high in the result
Fingers crossed for his main focus at the nfc with his team

Yeah seen that. Some fancier and a real good, tough family of pigeons.

The lad that won that race really has burst onto the scene these last couple of seasons.

And with the longest flying bird on the result too. Hope I don't set him back with the team of YBs I give him this year

Won’t know for a few years will we king but he seems a good fancier so should do ok