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Cheers Andy I will try to understand that better

MIL wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2024 5:30 pm

Diamond Dave wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2024 2:47 pm Not at all Mil, you can say that of all the "theories" and you probably do, but all of us have our own little fads and fancies which go towards making the sport more enjoyable for the individual.
May not be anything in it but unless you look into it for yourself I dont see how you can dismiss it. Thats just the way I look at it anyway mate - each to thier own.
The reason I want to know about it so that I know what others are looking at when they look at the eye.
I have to agree with King about the colour being genetic but would like to know a bit more about the format and principles of eyesign which could also be genetic and therefore it could confirm or even take the place of a pedigree. It certainly has the potential to be more reliable than a written pedigree in the current light of affairs lol.

I agree, we might all have our little "quirks" that we might like to see

But at the end of it all, these "quirks" are meaningless if you're getting your arse kicked every week

I never met a good eyesign man that I couldn't beat 9 races outta 10

That tells me everything I need to know about eyesign

I don’t disagree with what you’re saying Mike. But as you’ve never studied the eyes you wouldn’t know what sort yours had. The fact that they were still in your loft probably meant that they had good eyesign. But how often do pairings fail to produce the goods? Or some only breed well with one partner but not with others? I maybe talking rubbish but it’s just another tool in the box when selecting my pairings, as far as I’m concerned.

A cracking eye here just sent to me.
This has everything. A wide inner circle with only very light shading. You can see graining in the circle. The violet circle of colouration can be seen in the outer edges of the eye. There is also lots of graining in the circle of colouration and the iris is a rich colour which is mountainous.
This pigeon has bred loads of winners.

Andy, despite some of the other traits that I dont yet understand is a full iris not good for breeding at all or can you put it with an eye which has a sparse iris. ie can you compensate unfavourable traits?

Dave I raced over 50 years. Went to many eyesign evenings. I met several of best known experts. Only one did I find interesting. That was Brian May, he was one of the most knowledgable men I have ever met. He talked of both pigeon eyes & human eyes. He explained what the eye could tell us? Most of what it told us was about health, NOT ability.
The eye will NEVER take the place of a pedigree. A pedigree written by a honest man, will be FACT.
Eyesign will ALWAYS remain theory. Many birds when sold or photographed often have a picture of the eye on the pic or pedigree. If it was so important why doesn't the eye pic come with any explanation?
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King, In the light of the current situation with house of aarden, I would argue that most pedigrees are "enhanced" in one way or another perhaps just with the odd "revelationary superbative words to make it sound that little bit better and then, most of the photos of the birds and their eyes on a pedigree or montages are all photo-shopped to also make it look that little bit better. There is bullshit involved whenever and wherever there are birds for sale.
IMO enhancing any element of a bird for sale is actually dishonest which probably covers about 95% of birds for sale today.

Andy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2024 6:02 pm

MIL wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2024 5:30 pm

Diamond Dave wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2024 2:47 pm Not at all Mil, you can say that of all the "theories" and you probably do, but all of us have our own little fads and fancies which go towards making the sport more enjoyable for the individual.
May not be anything in it but unless you look into it for yourself I dont see how you can dismiss it. Thats just the way I look at it anyway mate - each to thier own.
The reason I want to know about it so that I know what others are looking at when they look at the eye.
I have to agree with King about the colour being genetic but would like to know a bit more about the format and principles of eyesign which could also be genetic and therefore it could confirm or even take the place of a pedigree. It certainly has the potential to be more reliable than a written pedigree in the current light of affairs lol.

I agree, we might all have our little "quirks" that we might like to see

But at the end of it all, these "quirks" are meaningless if you're getting your arse kicked every week

I never met a good eyesign man that I couldn't beat 9 races outta 10

That tells me everything I need to know about eyesign

I don’t disagree with what you’re saying Mike. But as you’ve never studied the eyes you wouldn’t know what sort yours had. The fact that they were still in your loft probably meant that they had good eyesign. But how often do pairings fail to produce the goods? Or some only breed well with one partner but not with others? I maybe talking rubbish but it’s just another tool in the box when selecting my pairings, as far as I’m concerned.

I never said i was ignorant to eyes though

Most my birds have violet eyes so I had no option but to pair violet to violet when 90% of the garden were violet

Considering I won what I won and my birds bred National winners etc then I think my own methods stood up to anything else on offer

I never raced "Pale Rider". I put her to Stock at 24 days old. I knew she was special. She's responsible for at least 750 x 1st

I picked the Dam of my Champion Eddy out through a crack in the door, I didn't care how she was bred or what her throat or eye was like.

I didn't even ask how she was bred

She had the look of a pigeon that would shit winners and I was right

Can't argue against a record like that Mil.
The fact that you used the word "gardens", can I ask where you are from.?

Diamond Dave wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2024 7:47 pm Can't argue against a record like that Mil.
The fact that you used the word "gardens", can I ask where you are from.?

Dave there’s a great loft Q and A on Elimar , his family are in you tube and a pleasure to watch the video
I have a hen here from Mike he told me to buy her mother but she went over a grand at his family clearance sale so I got her daughter she’s bred me 3 fed winners and my pal 1st fed 1st section London combine the only pigeon in the top 45 in his section he lives west and the combine was won 35 miles east of him

Diamond Dave wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2024 7:47 pm Can't argue against a record like that Mil.
The fact that you used the word "gardens", can I ask where you are from.?

My name is Mike Lycett (middle name Ian) - hence my ID


From Rugeley in Staffs

Youngest son of Cath and Ken Lycett

They resurrected the MNFC under their stewardship

This might help picture our setup etc

https://www.elimarpigeons.com/articles/ ... t-13-06-19