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Re: Red Wattle - almost bleeding.
Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2024 12:46 am
by king
Murray wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 12:12 am
I just look at my self. I don't take antibiotics just in case I get sick one day.
As a champion flyer wrote, what you treat them for is what they will get. Antibiotics suppress the symptoms of diseases, but they also suppress the natural ability of the pigeon to fight the illness, while increasing the resistance of the bacteria.
It can become a vicious circle.
I don't use medications much at all. I would if there is an outbreak of a disease in the loft and it was clearly diagnosed. I won't treat every pigeon because one gets sick.
I totally agree. It's as if some fanciers are looking for an excuse to treat their birds. Or maybe it's a mindset that they treat because they always have. I too am like you I only ever treated when it was needed. When racing I always had meds in the cupboard, just in case, most of it ended up thrown away when it went out of date,
Re: Red Wattle - almost bleeding.
Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2024 9:48 am
by MIL
The no.1 difference between winning consistently and not winning consistently isn't good pigeons - it's good management
Everything is driven in the first instance by the fancier.
They who know when to recognise an issue and deal with it will always be far more dangerous than those who just carry on regardless and hope for better the next week
So, in essence, you're right - that's MINDSET
I'm not trying to tell you I won every week, but I guarantee you I made it bloody difficult to beat me.
Re: Red Wattle - almost bleeding.
Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2024 9:52 am
by Murray
king wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 12:46 am
Murray wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 12:12 am
I just look at my self. I don't take antibiotics just in case I get sick one day.
As a champion flyer wrote, what you treat them for is what they will get. Antibiotics suppress the symptoms of diseases, but they also suppress the natural ability of the pigeon to fight the illness, while increasing the resistance of the bacteria.
It can become a vicious circle.
I don't use medications much at all. I would if there is an outbreak of a disease in the loft and it was clearly diagnosed. I won't treat every pigeon because one gets sick.
I totally agree. It's as if some fanciers are looking for an excuse to treat their birds. Or maybe it's a mindset that they treat because they always have. I too am like you I only ever treated when it was needed. When racing I always had meds in the cupboard, just in case, most of it ended up thrown away when it went out of date,
Yep!
A few years ago I threw a bunch of bottles in the bin. Some were years out of date!
Re: Red Wattle - almost bleeding.
Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2024 10:01 am
by Murray
MIL wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 9:48 am
The no.1 difference between winning consistently and not winning consistently isn't good pigeons - it's good management
Everything is driven in the first instance by the fancier.
They who know when to recognise an issue and deal with it will always be far more dangerous than those who just carry on regardless and hope for better the next week
So, in essence, you're right - that's
MINDSET
I'm not trying to tell you I won every week, but I guarantee you I made it bloody difficult to beat me.
You are right, I think.
A good loft can be bought off people who know how to build good lofts.
Good pigeons can be got from people who breed good pigeons.
Modern feed mixes can be purchased everywhere.
And yet, some people can train a shed full of pigeons and win races. Other blokes with the same shed, pigeons and feed will never win a race.
It's a word i have not heard before in this context, but I think it's perfect. Mindset.
Re: Red Wattle - almost bleeding.
Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2024 10:06 am
by MIL
Precisely Murray
I've been around pigeons long enough to know the difference, and I've made the transition from being someone who rarely carded to a 2 x West Midlands Region Sprint Champion - an accoloade many super sprinters in the Midlands have never won
It's mindset and it's challenging
Re: Red Wattle - almost bleeding.
Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2024 12:34 pm
by king
MIL wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 9:48 am
The no.1 difference between winning consistently and not winning consistently isn't good pigeons - it's good management
Everything is driven in the first instance by the fancier.
They who know when to recognise an issue and deal with it will always be far more dangerous than those who just carry on regardless and hope for better the next week
So, in essence, you're right - that's
MINDSET
I'm not trying to tell you I won every week, but I guarantee you I made it bloody difficult to beat me.
Your right Mike a good fancier will recognize a problem very early. The thread is about pink wattles due to rain. This was never been a problem in the past and I don't believe it is a problem now. This weekend 1000's of birds will have returned with pink wattles or evidence of flying though rain, especially the longer flying national birds. I'm not against treating for actual problems, but pink wattles isn't one of them.
Re: Red Wattle - almost bleeding.
Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2024 12:39 pm
by MIL
As you'll see from the above thread I've never once advocated treating for "red wattles"
This is merely evidence of having hit rain on the route home
The problem, as written before, is the impact that the rain has internally
I can tell you from experience that I've had 11 x 1st Fed wins the week after my birds hit rain - and those birds were treated in the manner I saw best
Re: Red Wattle - almost bleeding.
Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2024 1:22 pm
by Devo1956
At the end of the day, if you know your birds. You know what is best for them , to keep them healthy. This is paramount i would say.
Re: Red Wattle - almost bleeding.
Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2024 2:14 pm
by MIL
Couldn't agree more
Re: Red Wattle - almost bleeding.
Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2024 2:53 pm
by NeilA
king wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2024 12:36 pm
A bit of rain didn't bother this lad.
That’s just a photo of a wet pigeon king
Not sure what you mean
did it win a few races in the next couple of weeks ?