UkPigeonRacing

MIL wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 9:20 pm

Diamond Dave wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 2:14 pm I'm sure I've read somewhere that deep keeled birds are easier to condition?
What are ppls thoughts......

If anything I would've thought they were harder to condition if anything

Devo1956 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 9:17 pm

NeilA wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 8:33 pm Obviously Devo carbs to fat on a race it still had to be stored but where is it like wild birds under the skin ?
a breast on a chicken has the less fat than any part of the bird hence why it goes dry quickly when cooked I thought

Racing pigeons, like other pigeons, store food in their crop:
The crop is where food is temporarily held before it moves through the digestive system.

Also it depends how you cook the breast of chicken Neil.

NeilA wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2024 6:04 am

Devo1956 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 9:17 pm

NeilA wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 8:33 pm Obviously Devo carbs to fat on a race it still had to be stored but where is it like wild birds under the skin ?
a breast on a chicken has the less fat than any part of the bird hence why it goes dry quickly when cooked I thought

Racing pigeons, like other pigeons, store food in their crop:
The crop is where food is temporarily held before it moves through the digestive system.

Also it depends how you cook the breast of chicken Neil.

They don’t store energy fat in there crops that’s just corn Devo and of no use at that point to them

No matter how you cook chicken tne breast is naturally drier to start with adding fats / covering etc obviously makes it moist but it’s still the more drier of any cut and you couldn’t feed a pigeon so fats just stored in the breast

Trev wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2024 12:12 pm

NeilA wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2024 6:04 am

Devo1956 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 9:17 pm

Racing pigeons, like other pigeons, store food in their crop:
The crop is where food is temporarily held before it moves through the digestive system.

Also it depends how you cook the breast of chicken Neil.

They don’t store energy fat in there crops that’s just corn Devo and of no use at that point to them

No matter how you cook chicken tne breast is naturally drier to start with adding fats / covering etc obviously makes it moist but it’s still the more drier of any cut and you couldn’t feed a pigeon so fats just stored in the breast

Pigeons are no different to any other bird and store fat both Subcutaneously and within the muscle, the trouble is that they do this depending on how far they are planing to fly and for how long, if they are able to take plenty of refuelling stops then they will store less fat and the majority of this will be stored Subcutaneously, they will not store more fat than they require as in doing so can become costly. Unfortunately with our pigeons they have no idea how far they are going to have to fly or for how long so how can they possibly know how much energy to store !! So that is completely down to our management to ensure they have all they need for we are asking them to do.

As for deep keeled pigeons, I would imagine it makes no difference really. In nature it usually follows that the bigger the creature the more energy efficient they are, so with our birds, the smaller ones will actually burn up more energy than the bigger ones.
Don't laugh but I don't even know what folks are on about deep keels etc
I've had some big birds over the years but this obviously doesn't necessarily mean that they are deep keeled !! I've not had too many that I would actually call Deep Keeled,
in my experience most deep keeled youngsters generally muscle up and fill out by the end of their second year so the deep keel isn't an issue. However there are, as there is in people, some that are just big boned and under no circumstances will ever put on weight !!
I have had one or two proper deep keeled birds but don't recall any of them being any good, but that's just my experience. As with all things pigeon, it's a matter of personal preference, and something that is a good trait in one family won't be so good in another.

NeilA wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2024 6:04 am

Devo1956 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 9:17 pm

NeilA wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 8:33 pm Obviously Devo carbs to fat on a race it still had to be stored but where is it like wild birds under the skin ?
a breast on a chicken has the less fat than any part of the bird hence why it goes dry quickly when cooked I thought

Racing pigeons, like other pigeons, store food in their crop:
The crop is where food is temporarily held before it moves through the digestive system.

Also it depends how you cook the breast of chicken Neil.

They don’t store energy fat in there crops that’s just corn Devo and of no use at that point to them

No matter how you cook chicken tne breast is naturally drier to start with adding fats / covering etc obviously makes it moist but it’s still the more drier of any cut and you couldn’t feed a pigeon so fats just stored in the breast

NeilA wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2024 4:41 pm Devo your changing the discussion
Breast meat and leg meat contain different amount of fat it’s fact
You put a breast in the oven and a leg see what fat comes out of each
Of course you can keep the breast moist by cooking style but that’s not natural

I have the 706 1 and 2 after 3 years of college and and 9 years of restaurant work so I am a qualified chef I wouldn’t want you to think I put a white jacket on and be one a chef instantly like many do

Buster121 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2024 2:05 pm

Trev wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2024 12:12 pm

NeilA wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2024 6:04 am

They don’t store energy fat in there crops that’s just corn Devo and of no use at that point to them

No matter how you cook chicken tne breast is naturally drier to start with adding fats / covering etc obviously makes it moist but it’s still the more drier of any cut and you couldn’t feed a pigeon so fats just stored in the breast

Pigeons are no different to any other bird and store fat both Subcutaneously and within the muscle, the trouble is that they do this depending on how far they are planing to fly and for how long, if they are able to take plenty of refuelling stops then they will store less fat and the majority of this will be stored Subcutaneously, they will not store more fat than they require as in doing so can become costly. Unfortunately with our pigeons they have no idea how far they are going to have to fly or for how long so how can they possibly know how much energy to store !! So that is completely down to our management to ensure they have all they need for we are asking them to do.

As for deep keeled pigeons, I would imagine it makes no difference really. In nature it usually follows that the bigger the creature the more energy efficient they are, so with our birds, the smaller ones will actually burn up more energy than the bigger ones.
Don't laugh but I don't even know what folks are on about deep keels etc
I've had some big birds over the years but this obviously doesn't necessarily mean that they are deep keeled !! I've not had too many that I would actually call Deep Keeled,
in my experience most deep keeled youngsters generally muscle up and fill out by the end of their second year so the deep keel isn't an issue. However there are, as there is in people, some that are just big boned and under no circumstances will ever put on weight !!
I have had one or two proper deep keeled birds but don't recall any of them being any good, but that's just my experience. As with all things pigeon, it's a matter of personal preference, and something that is a good trait in one family won't be so good in another.

I don't even know what a deep keel is