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NeilA wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 9:10 am

king wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 11:55 pm I treat for Canker ONCE a year with Dac Metronidazole 10%. While the birds are sitting the first round of eggs. Too suppress it during the rest of the year they are given Povidone iodine twice a week. 1mil per litre

I use that iodine but what’s the difference between that and Lugols king ?

Here are some differences between povidone-iodine and Lugol's iodine:
Chemical composition
Povidone-iodine is a chemical complex of iodine and the polymer povidone (polyvinylpyrrolidone, PVP). Lugol's iodine is a solution of iodine.

Stability
Povidone-iodine solutions are more stable than Lugol's iodine solutions. For example, a 2% povidone-iodine solution can remain unchanged for a year at room temperature.

Uses
Lugol's iodine is used for cauterizing the cornea after corneal scraping. Povidone-iodine can be used topically to treat equine keratomycosis. It can also kill bacteria, viruses, fungi, spores, and protozoa.

king wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 1:18 pm

NeilA wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 9:10 am

king wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 11:55 pm I treat for Canker ONCE a year with Dac Metronidazole 10%. While the birds are sitting the first round of eggs. Too suppress it during the rest of the year they are given Povidone iodine twice a week. 1mil per litre

I use that iodine but what’s the difference between that and Lugols king ?

Here are some differences between povidone-iodine and Lugol's iodine:
Chemical composition
Povidone-iodine is a chemical complex of iodine and the polymer povidone (polyvinylpyrrolidone, PVP). Lugol's iodine is a solution of iodine.

Stability
Povidone-iodine solutions are more stable than Lugol's iodine solutions. For example, a 2% povidone-iodine solution can remain unchanged for a year at room temperature.

Uses
Lugol's iodine is used for cauterizing the cornea after corneal scraping. Povidone-iodine can be used topically to treat equine keratomycosis. It can also kill bacteria, viruses, fungi, spores, and protozoa.

Cheers King
I’m too thick to understand that properly but I think the one we use is stronger and last longer ?

if birds do not fly out should i still treat and for what can i also say i don't treat sick birds they don't stay

George and Morgan wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 5:31 pm if birds do not fly out should i still treat and for what can i also say i don't treat sick birds they don't stay

I would treat for canker and worms still

George and Morgan wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 5:31 pm if birds do not fly out should i still treat and for what can i also say i don't treat sick birds they don't stay

I don't treat anymore George not last couple years none of mine go out, I used to treat and vaccinate all birds up until about 3 years ago even though they never went out

I never treat mine for canker or worms. Only had canker in 2 pigeons in 50 years. Both disposed of.

king wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 1:18 pm

NeilA wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 9:10 am

king wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 11:55 pm I treat for Canker ONCE a year with Dac Metronidazole 10%. While the birds are sitting the first round of eggs. Too suppress it during the rest of the year they are given Povidone iodine twice a week. 1mil per litre

I use that iodine but what’s the difference between that and Lugols king ?

Here are some differences between povidone-iodine and Lugol's iodine:
Chemical composition
Povidone-iodine is a chemical complex of iodine and the polymer povidone (polyvinylpyrrolidone, PVP). Lugol's iodine is a solution of iodine.

Stability
Povidone-iodine solutions are more stable than Lugol's iodine solutions. For example, a 2% povidone-iodine solution can remain unchanged for a year at room temperature.

Uses
Lugol's iodine is used for cauterizing the cornea after corneal scraping. Povidone-iodine can be used topically to treat equine keratomycosis. It can also kill bacteria, viruses, fungi, spores, and protozoa.

I used to put Iodine in the water back in the 90s, it's something I've considered using again !! I'll have to see what I can find.

Andy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 9:28 pm I never treat mine for canker or worms. Only had canker in 2 pigeons in 50 years. Both disposed of.

How would you know Andy other than the obvious yellow in the throat ?

You're right Neil

When you see the yellowy "crust" in the mouth that's an excessive form of canker that's been allowed to develop

The only sure fire way to understand if your birds have got canker or not is to test for it

This is a major reason why I absolutely swear by garlic and organic apple cider vinegar.
Both fresh garlic and ACV on their own are very beneficial. Combined they have a powerful effect against bacteria and protozoa. I did read that garlic and ACV can control Trichomona levels but is not effective against actual canker infections.
I'm not so convinced about that now. I reckon if it's used regularly, that's the key, garlic and cider vinegar can control canker and cocci and all sorts of diseases.
Due to circumstances I have treated mine for canker twice in the last two years, but I haven't treated for cocci or anything else for over 10 years, ever since I started using garlic and ACV. Can't remember last time I had a sick pigeon.