Views on this feed

[NeilA]

What have I said, over and over?

What you are feeding is always less important than what you are feeding it to.

Less but still important in my view

[Devo1956]

There is enough good food mixes to choose from , its all about choice, and the birds don't get a say in it.

[NeilA]

There is enough good food mixes to choose from , its all about choice, and the birds don't get a say in it.

Very true

[Murray]

What have I said, over and over?

What you are feeding is always less important than what you are feeding it to.

Less but still important in my view

Absolutely.
You cannot compete these days if you are not feeding them properly, but first you need the right pigeons for the job.

[NeilA]

Agree Murray that’s the most important thing otherwise they would all be equal arriving on a Saturday if fed the same

[Trev]

Agree Murray that’s the most important thing otherwise they would all be equal arriving on a Saturday if fed the same

Not sure I agree with that entirely mate, everyone fed the same years ago with only 3 different grains in the mix, it was still the birds and the fancier that made the difference on race days.

[Trev]

What I would like to know is if the feeding is so important to winning at any given distance why is it that in the Nationals the birds on the South Coast may only be flying around 120 miles. 2.5 hours on the wing at 50mph. So sprint racing and fed for sprint racing. In the same race those up North could be flying 300 miles further, 420 miles. 8.5 hours on the wing at 50 mph. So distance racing and fed for distance racing. The distance birds can often be doing the same velocities as the sprint pigeons. So these distance pigeons were obviously with the sprint pigeons when the sprint birds start dropping onto their lofts even though fed very differently. They didn’t get left behind by the sprinters and then suddenly started getting quicker. I know the wind and weather can have a big effect on this.
But to me it shows that what you feed is of little importance compared to having good quality and healthy birds.

Should think good pigeons for the required distance and wind and the correct feed for the job in hand will produce the same results
I’m good mates with Mark Bulled his sprint team is fed totally different to his distance team and to be honest I would put his performance in nationals up against any working back yard fancier
Two different family’s he keeps well actually three and different feeding totally

Does that not make you realise that the feed is less important than you think mate !!
To start with, from the distance races where the birds are getting fed on the lorry and sometimes being in there for a week or more, what you are giving them in the loft is completely irrelevant.
Also I would lay money on it that a fancier like Mark Bulled, with his knowledge and team of birds would probably still be winning if his birds were kept on fresh air alone !!
The top sprint men in our club at the moment all feed differently, we've got Danny Porter who feeds the most expensive versa laga mix, who is always there or there abouts in the club and fed, then we have Alan Still who wins out of turn in any wind who feeds pretty much the cheapest feed he can get hold of which this year is going to Bamfords, I don't know what Alan Akemenkalns feeds as he keeps his cards a bit closer to his chest lol.
As we always say in this game, it's all matter of opinion and preference.

[NeilA]

Agree Murray that’s the most important thing otherwise they would all be equal arriving on a Saturday if fed the same

Not sure I agree with that entirely mate, everyone fed the same years ago with only 3 different grains in the mix, it was still the birds and the fancier that made the difference on race days.

I’m saying the birds are the most important thing Trev
Although I do think feeding is important
I would imagine a fancier with knowledge and able to get different grains would have the advantage on one without being able to get the same grain options or knowledge of carbs/ fats etc
I’m always told more pigeons are clocked now on the day 500 miles than years ago into London in general but I haven’t a clue if it’s true but a lot less are sent now so I guess the percentages will be higher of returns I would think correct feeding would help that side of things
I agree without the top birds you have nothing although with the birds and feeding skills you have the advantage in someone just with good pigeons

[NeilA]

What I would like to know is if the feeding is so important to winning at any given distance why is it that in the Nationals the birds on the South Coast may only be flying around 120 miles. 2.5 hours on the wing at 50mph. So sprint racing and fed for sprint racing. In the same race those up North could be flying 300 miles further, 420 miles. 8.5 hours on the wing at 50 mph. So distance racing and fed for distance racing. The distance birds can often be doing the same velocities as the sprint pigeons. So these distance pigeons were obviously with the sprint pigeons when the sprint birds start dropping onto their lofts even though fed very differently. They didn’t get left behind by the sprinters and then suddenly started getting quicker. I know the wind and weather can have a big effect on this.
But to me it shows that what you feed is of little importance compared to having good quality and healthy birds.

Should think good pigeons for the required distance and wind and the correct feed for the job in hand will produce the same results
I’m good mates with Mark Bulled his sprint team is fed totally different to his distance team and to be honest I would put his performance in nationals up against any working back yard fancier
Two different family’s he keeps well actually three and different feeding totally

Does that not make you realise that the feed is less important than you think mate !!
To start with, from the distance races where the birds are getting fed on the lorry and sometimes being in there for a week or more, what you are giving them in the loft is completely irrelevant.
Also I would lay money on it that a fancier like Mark Bulled, with his knowledge and team of birds would probably still be winning if his birds were kept on fresh air alone !!
The top sprint men in our club at the moment all feed differently, we've got Danny Porter who feeds the most expensive versa laga mix, who is always there or there abouts in the club and fed, then we have Alan Still who wins out of turn in any wind who feeds pretty much the cheapest feed he can get hold of which this year is going to Bamfords, I don't know what Alan Akemenkalns feeds as he keeps his cards a bit closer to his chest lol.
As we always say in this game, it's all matter of opinion and preference.

No mate the opposite really
As Marks two feeds are very different I imagine if he thought it was best to just feed one corn he would to save the hassle
I don’t judge price of corn as the difference it’s the make up of the mix
Take the guy feeding VL in your club he may feed Gerry and Alan may feed Bamfords but it could be superfly which is pretty much copy of Gerry .
Or one may feed a mix like VL champion plus train every day where Alan could feed mostly Bamfords dupurative and just loft fly 3 nights
It’s not really the brand to me it’s what you can do training wise , how often you fly them out or how long do you want them in the air what’s the races your aiming for that decides the type of mix not the actual brand

[Andy]

What I would like to know is if the feeding is so important to winning at any given distance why is it that in the Nationals the birds on the South Coast may only be flying around 120 miles. 2.5 hours on the wing at 50mph. So sprint racing and fed for sprint racing. In the same race those up North could be flying 300 miles further, 420 miles. 8.5 hours on the wing at 50 mph. So distance racing and fed for distance racing. The distance birds can often be doing the same velocities as the sprint pigeons. So these distance pigeons were obviously with the sprint pigeons when the sprint birds start dropping onto their lofts even though fed very differently. They didn’t get left behind by the sprinters and then suddenly started getting quicker. I know the wind and weather can have a big effect on this.
But to me it shows that what you feed is of little importance compared to having good quality and healthy birds.

Should think good pigeons for the required distance and wind and the correct feed for the job in hand will produce the same results
I’m good mates with Mark Bulled his sprint team is fed totally different to his distance team and to be honest I would put his performance in nationals up against any working back yard fancier
Two different family’s he keeps well actually three and different feeding totally

Yes but the Staddon's down here, probably the best flyers in the South West feed the same to their sprint, distance, 600+ miles and young birds. Just the amounts fed differ.