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Re: Trump / Zelensky Meeting
Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2025 3:22 pm
by Bowbroom
We’re a world away from the kerfuffle in 1945, it’s only 80 years from the United action that was thought at the time to be the conflict to end all conflicts, how wrong could they/we be?.
It should be noted that widespread conflict is always driven by Megalomania. Hitler and Stalin were prime examples and now Putin and Trump look like vying for title of Chief crackpot, the problem is generally it’s the innocents that pay for their dreams of world domination.
Will it all end in a nuclear fireball? Surely no one is stupid enough to believe that anyone could survive Armageddon?
Because I’m a simpleton, I harboured a dream back in 1989 when the wall came down that the super powers would come together under the UN banner to act as the worlds police force sorting out any global skirmishes driven by mini megalomaniacs to stop them getting out of hand, what a Wally!!
Re: Trump / Zelensky Meeting
Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2025 12:29 am
by Murray
No, I don't think you are a simpleton at all. I think you are quite intelligent, just by the way you explain your thoughts. And you are only one of many who were gulled into thinking the United Nations was a good thing.
You are right, the thought of Putin and Trump at the top of the power chain is disconcerting. What is really alarming is that Trump was seen as clearly the better option which is why he was elected in more or less a landslide. If you were a suspicious person you could wonder if the Democrats actually deliberately threw the election.
We are in perilous times. On both sides the leaders have opponents who are trying to undermine them and create conflict so they can point the blame at them.
It's not good.
Re: Trump / Zelensky Meeting
Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2025 1:16 am
by Murray
When Trump was in power last time he tried to "drain the swamp". The old heads in DC were too cunning and headed him off.
This time he's gone in well aware and pre prepared.
This is interesting.....
Attorney Tom Renz, who actually read Trump's D.O.G.E. Executive Order and, expecting some illegal power grab, found it to be airtight. Turns out Trump and Musk didn't create anything. Obama did.
Obama created United States Digital Service (USDS) in 2014. It was meant as a bureaucratic patch job to fix the Obamacare website meltdown.
Fast forward to 2025. Trump rebrands it DOGE (United States DOGE Service). Keeps the acronym, keeps the funding, but gives it a whole new mission: Find the Receipts
Legally untouchable because it was already fully funded and operational. Trump invokes 5 USC 3161, which allows him to create temporary hiring authorities. DOGE teams get embedded inside every single federal agency. Each team consists of a lawyer, HR rep, a zoomer nerd, and an investigator. They report to DOGE, not the agency they're embedded in.
But wait, there's more! Trump invokes 44 USC Chapter 35, which governs federal IT and cybersecurity oversight. Since USDS was originally an IT oversight body, DOGE now has full access to all federal data systems. Yes, that’s right. All of them.
His executive order is written to block legal challenges. Includes language that overrides conflicting executive orders. Orders every agency to comply. Refusal means they violate presidential authority.
Congress can't defund it because it's not a new program, just a repurposed one. DOJ can't sue for overreach because Trump used existing laws exactly as written. Democrats trying to file legal challenges run into standing issues because DOGE operates within existing frameworks.
Obama literally built the perfect Administrative (read: Deep State) IT backdoor.
Trump and Musk just hacked the system and took the admin controls. Musk now has legal oversight of every major agency's internal systems. The Administrative State can't stop it without rewriting multiple federal laws.
They legally outplayed the system and there’s nothing anyone can do about it.
Obama created DOGE.
Re: Trump / Zelensky Meeting
Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2025 2:14 am
by king
Murray wrote: ↑Sun Mar 02, 2025 1:16 am
When Trump was in power last time he tried to "drain the swamp". The old heads in DC were too cunning and headed him off.
This time he's gone in well aware and pre prepared.
This is interesting.....
Attorney Tom Renz, who actually read Trump's D.O.G.E. Executive Order and, expecting some illegal power grab, found it to be airtight. Turns out Trump and Musk didn't create anything. Obama did.
Obama created United States Digital Service (USDS) in 2014. It was meant as a bureaucratic patch job to fix the Obamacare website meltdown.
Fast forward to 2025. Trump rebrands it DOGE (United States DOGE Service). Keeps the acronym, keeps the funding, but gives it a whole new mission: Find the Receipts
Legally untouchable because it was already fully funded and operational. Trump invokes 5 USC 3161, which allows him to create temporary hiring authorities. DOGE teams get embedded inside every single federal agency. Each team consists of a lawyer, HR rep, a zoomer nerd, and an investigator. They report to DOGE, not the agency they're embedded in.
But wait, there's more! Trump invokes 44 USC Chapter 35, which governs federal IT and cybersecurity oversight. Since USDS was originally an IT oversight body, DOGE now has full access to all federal data systems. Yes, that’s right. All of them.
His executive order is written to block legal challenges. Includes language that overrides conflicting executive orders. Orders every agency to comply. Refusal means they violate presidential authority.
Congress can't defund it because it's not a new program, just a repurposed one. DOJ can't sue for overreach because Trump used existing laws exactly as written. Democrats trying to file legal challenges run into standing issues because DOGE operates within existing frameworks.
Obama literally built the perfect Administrative (read: Deep State) IT backdoor.
Trump and Musk just hacked the system and took the admin controls. Musk now has legal oversight of every major agency's internal systems. The Administrative State can't stop it without rewriting multiple federal laws.
They legally outplayed the system and there’s nothing anyone can do about it.
Obama created DOGE.
Despite its full name, Doge is not an official government department, which would have had to be established by an act of Congress. Which is why some of its acts so far have been blocked. DOGE is not a real government agency. DOGE has no authority to make spending decisions. DOGE has no authority to shut programs down or to ignore federal law
Re: Trump / Zelensky Meeting
Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2025 3:32 am
by Murray
It would appear that they don't have to ignore Federal law because they are operating in an operation created by Barrack Obama using his presidential powers. So it is apparently legit. I dunno, I'm not a lawyer, but the Democrats are so enraged, incensed and incandescent that I reckon they would have stopped it if it was possible.
I don't think the plan is to shut anything down, the plan is to find the receipts.
The mission is simple. Find where the money disappeared to.
Re: Trump / Zelensky Meeting
Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2025 8:16 am
by Murray
Well?
Re: Trump / Zelensky Meeting
Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2025 10:51 am
by Bowbroom
This last post trying to be funny I assume displaying President Zelensky as Toast is beyond the pale, bearing In mind the hundreds of thousands of people killed maimed and displaced following Russias despicable invasion of the Ukraine, you should be ashamed of yourself
Re: Trump / Zelensky Meeting
Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2025 11:13 am
by Murray
And yet, here we are.
Zelenskyy is, in fact, toast.
He went to the White House to visit the leader of the free world, whether you like him or not, and made a total fool of himself. In front of the whole world. It's a hard climb back for him from that.
Nice bit of indignation though.
Re: Trump / Zelensky Meeting
Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2025 11:21 am
by Buster121
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