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Re: Bovingdon 1 ybs

Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:29 pm
by Andy
DarkPiedCock wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 5:12 pm Two of the five are still carrying nest flights.
A good bit of experience for them then Les.

Re: Bovingdon 1 ybs

Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:39 pm
by Buster121
Andy wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:29 pm
DarkPiedCock wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 5:12 pm Two of the five are still carrying nest flights.
A good bit of experience for them then Les.
Thick here but how will nest flights help them

Re: Bovingdon 1 ybs

Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2023 7:49 pm
by Trev
DarkPiedCock wrote: Tue Aug 01, 2023 10:54 am Well done Trev Ian Fleet in my club had a screamer at 1hr 17 mins to be in top 10 of fed. I sent 5 late bred yearling cocks for their first mass lib. Had three just over 2 hrs and the other two came at 3pm in terrible conditions.
Well done Ian, there were obviously some birds that broke away before being forced too far east !! I think that is where training helps, I know Alan Akemenkalns has been training his youngsters hard.
Well done to you too Les, they've done well. In my experience late breds can be difficult to keep hold of so you've done well with them mate.

Re: Bovingdon 1 ybs

Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2023 9:45 pm
by Andy
Buster121 wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:39 pm
Andy wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:29 pm
DarkPiedCock wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 5:12 pm Two of the five are still carrying nest flights.
A good bit of experience for them then Les.
Thick here but how will nest flights help them
Not thick at all Buster. It’s just an observation. Latebreds hatched quite late in the year (July onwards) often won’t moult through the whole wing in their first moult. Rather than help it probably puts them at a slight disadvantage as these end flights will be old flights and possible have a bit of damage. The other thing that can happen is they can moult from both ends of the wing or dropping 2 flights together. Latebreds that do well still carrying nest flights in my opinion are very good pigeons and should do even better the following season with a wing full of new feathers.

Re: Bovingdon 1 ybs

Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2023 9:55 pm
by Buster121
Andy wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 9:45 pm
Buster121 wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:39 pm
Andy wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:29 pm

A good bit of experience for them then Les.
Thick here but how will nest flights help them
Not thick at all Buster. It’s just an observation. Latebreds hatched quite late in the year (July onwards) often won’t moult through the whole wing in their first moult. Rather than help it probably puts them at a slight disadvantage as these end flights will be old flights and possible have a bit of damage. The other thing that can happen is they can moult from both ends of the wing or dropping 2 flights together. Latebreds that do well still carrying nest flights in my opinion are very good pigeons and should do even better the following season with a wing full of new feathers.
Thanks for that explanation Andy

Re: Bovingdon 1 ybs

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2023 12:16 am
by Murray
Trev wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 7:49 pm
DarkPiedCock wrote: Tue Aug 01, 2023 10:54 am Well done Trev Ian Fleet in my club had a screamer at 1hr 17 mins to be in top 10 of fed. I sent 5 late bred yearling cocks for their first mass lib. Had three just over 2 hrs and the other two came at 3pm in terrible conditions.
Well done Ian, there were obviously some birds that broke away before being forced too far east !! I think that is where training helps, I know Alan Akemenkalns has been training his youngsters hard.
Well done to you too Les, they've done well. In my experience late breds can be difficult to keep hold of so you've done well with them mate.
Absolutely, Trev.
The blokes who excel with the young birds always seem to be the ones who train them a lot. For example, I sent the little mealy cock that won two weeks ago last weekend, because I didn't want him going three weeks between races. It was about 140 miles, a piece of cake. only it wasn't.
Strong tail wind came up, and the mob went screaming past Bendigo again. I got a phone call, your mealy is at Nick Keighran's in Kyneton. 40 kiles away. :roll:
Nick called me, he was tossing near me the next morning and bought him back for me. Nick has won 3 of the 5 races so far. And he trains them very hard. I have won one with just a handful of pigeons, but they have had heaps of training.
Young birds are different to old birds I reckon. You cannot train your youngsters too much. Old birds, just get sick of it.

Re: Bovingdon 1 ybs

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2023 10:22 pm
by Trev
Murray wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 12:16 am
Trev wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 7:49 pm
DarkPiedCock wrote: Tue Aug 01, 2023 10:54 am Well done Trev Ian Fleet in my club had a screamer at 1hr 17 mins to be in top 10 of fed. I sent 5 late bred yearling cocks for their first mass lib. Had three just over 2 hrs and the other two came at 3pm in terrible conditions.
Well done Ian, there were obviously some birds that broke away before being forced too far east !! I think that is where training helps, I know Alan Akemenkalns has been training his youngsters hard.
Well done to you too Les, they've done well. In my experience late breds can be difficult to keep hold of so you've done well with them mate.
Absolutely, Trev.
The blokes who excel with the young birds always seem to be the ones who train them a lot. For example, I sent the little mealy cock that won two weeks ago last weekend, because I didn't want him going three weeks between races. It was about 140 miles, a piece of cake. only it wasn't.
Strong tail wind came up, and the mob went screaming past Bendigo again. I got a phone call, your mealy is at Nick Keighran's in Kyneton. 40 kiles away. :roll:
Nick called me, he was tossing near me the next morning and bought him back for me. Nick has won 3 of the 5 races so far. And he trains them very hard. I have won one with just a handful of pigeons, but they have had heaps of training.
Young birds are different to old birds I reckon. You cannot train your youngsters too much. Old birds, just get sick of it.
Good to hear that you got your Mealey home Muzza, sounds like he picked the right loft to stop off at 👍😁
I have to say I did have some very successful young bird seasons back in the 80s and 90s and back then I did used to train them hard. I would train them in stages up to 60 miles until our first race from 95 miles, once racing started I would continue to train them twice a week from 20 miles. Unfortunately these days due to age and traffic I've got lazy and really struggle to find time for training, I might not catch the guys that put in the hours but my babies will gain valuable experience for the future.
I did get two more birds home today so now have 27/32, just need to decide how many go back this work 🤔🤔

Re: Bovingdon 1 ybs

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2023 5:34 am
by Buster121
That's good to see Trev and Murray

Re: Bovingdon 1 ybs

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2023 10:24 am
by DarkPiedCock
Well done Trev. Always nice to see them return.