UkPigeonRacing

George and Morgan wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 9:53 am what are members thoughts on cleaning nest bowls when breeding

I clean nest bowls every day after ringing babies until then never touch them

NeilA wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 9:56 am I’m not blinded by treating constantly Andy it’s only 3 months of the year on a cycle
I just know I need my birds in perfect health for 3 months a year without that they can’t perform sprinting week to week the other months from now there be wormed twice and canker twice so not a great deal
I don’t believe many could detect a mild respo issue for example but it could be enough to take 5 min off your time
I look for things in training how they clear as a guide and the obvious droppings but I do think they can have worms and canker and respo to a mild level that doesn’t get detected and when people are off the pace they blame others like the amount another bloke sends where it could be there not in the very best health that they could be

Just asking Neil not judging you. So you’re talking about your first arrival being off the pace if 5 mins behind the winner of the race. I assume that all your cocks don’t arrive within 5 minutes of the first one. So despite all the treatment you give would you then think that any that were not within 5 minutes were sickening with something? Would you then look to treat the later ones differently than the first one?
Although the droppings can tell you a lot they can also be very different depending on feed. I know when my wife has given mine extra sunflower hearts because their droppings are a bit looser and a bit sticky the following day. When farming the cows dung would be much looser on a fresh field of grass which is high in sugars and a lot firmer if fed a lot of barley straw due to lack of protein. With dairy cows the optimum would be a pat that spread easily if you put your boot in it. Any firmer would show low levels of energy in the feed. So the droppings can be altered just by what you feed them.

Within 5 mins ?
if I don’t have 4/5 together or in 2/3 mins something is wrong I have had 8 together from 13 sent to win the fed so 5 mins here is a life time take last year I had 5 drop trap great and got split in the result
If I send 20 I will have 10-12 in 10-15 min
So it’s not like I wait long for the team and my competition is the same well the good ones are
when I look at others clocks sheets I can’t help think people could move 75 per cent in ( sprint lofts ) and not hurt there results as most are homers , pets really mine included I have rubbish each year
Of course you get the odd good one come 30-40 late but that doesn’t mean it’s sick if that happens regular I would cull the pigeon unless it’s been a good one then look into why this is happening and treat it . I always have a test kit to hand .
It’s easy here Andy get treated perfectly be sent perfect health perform or go
I can’t win here with worms , canker etc it just wouldn’t happen it would be a fluke

Neil, pigeons are all mixed at the club in the crates to go on the transporter, on return even if they came back in your expected arrival time would you treat them at all or do you follow say canker, respo, coxi, worms giving something over say a 4 week period to stay on top of things.

CHARLTON34 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 5:52 pm Neil, pigeons are all mixed at the club in the crates to go on the transporter, on return even if they came back in your expected arrival time would you treat them at all or do you follow say canker, respo, coxi, worms giving something over say a 4 week period to stay on top of things.

All on a cycle for the 3 months or so they race
Canker every 4-6 weeks respo 2-3 weeks worms 6-7 weeks then again 10 days after fungi 2 in weeks in 3
I write it down in March with dates length of treatment and product to use and pin it up so I don’t forget
I also have a test kit sent off each month for the basics as I’m no good with a microscope so can change the treatment plan depending on the test results

NeilA wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 6:15 pm

CHARLTON34 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 5:52 pm Neil, pigeons are all mixed at the club in the crates to go on the transporter, on return even if they came back in your expected arrival time would you treat them at all or do you follow say canker, respo, coxi, worms giving something over say a 4 week period to stay on top of things.

All on a cycle for the 3 months or so they race
Canker every 4-6 weeks respo 2-3 weeks worms 6-7 weeks then again 10 days after fungi 2 in weeks in 3
I write it down in March with dates length of treatment and product to use and pin it up so I don’t forget
I also have a test kit sent off each month for the basics as I’m no good with a microscope so can change the treatment plan depending on the test results

So with your treatment plan Neil what do your test results show? Are they still coming back saying you have infections?

NeilA wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 4:46 pm Within 5 mins ?
if I don’t have 4/5 together or in 2/3 mins something is wrong I have had 8 together from 13 sent to win the fed so 5 mins here is a life time take last year I had 5 drop trap great and got split in the result
If I send 20 I will have 10-12 in 10-15 min
So it’s not like I wait long for the team and my competition is the same well the good ones are
when I look at others clocks sheets I can’t help think people could move 75 per cent in ( sprint lofts ) and not hurt there results as most are homers , pets really mine included I have rubbish each year
Of course you get the odd good one come 30-40 late but that doesn’t mean it’s sick if that happens regular I would cull the pigeon unless it’s been a good one then look into why this is happening and treat it . I always have a test kit to hand .
It’s easy here Andy get treated perfectly be sent perfect health perform or go
I can’t win here with worms , canker etc it just wouldn’t happen it would be a fluke

It used to be like that for me back in Sussex, in this combine no chance. But that was what I was asking. You say if you send 20 you will have 10-12 in 10-15 mins. would you then presume that the other 8-10 have a problem health wise or just not good enough?

Think i answered that Andy?
On my system they should all be in good health as I treat and test
If a pigeon is late constantly it goes if one of my best suddenly comes late regular 2-3 weeks I send a test kit off for it so
They have to be in the top 2-3 per cent of the convoy 3 times in 10 races as a yearling to stay these are sprinting not going to the distance so they need to win from April onwards if I raced longer races which I will be then of course I wouldn’t judge them this harsh
I see it they have the best chance u can give them on my limited budget

Like I say my system is simple no excuses for them I find it easier than making excuses then next year being behind again then repeating the same the following year

NeilA wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 8:35 pm Think i answered that Andy?
On my system they should all be in good health as I treat and test
If a pigeon is late constantly it goes if one of my best suddenly comes late regular 2-3 weeks I send a test kit off for it so
They have to be in the top 2-3 per cent of the convoy 3 times in 10 races as a yearling to stay these are sprinting not going to the distance so they need to win from April onwards if I raced longer races which I will be then of course I wouldn’t judge them this harsh
I see it they have the best chance u can give them on my limited budget

Like I say my system is simple no excuses for them I find it easier than making excuses then next year being behind again then repeating the same the following year

That is the absolute truth too.
Old saying, if you were disappointed last year and nothing has changed, prepare to be disappointed again.
I think there's three things that will keep you from winning.
Either your shed's not right, or your system's not right, or your birds are not good enough.