UkPigeonRacing

So, the 1st International winner from Barcelona is T. Koele & Zn. (Wezep, The Netherlands)

However, the ZLU, the National Association use a different calculation surrounding their hours of darkness ("neutralisation time" they call it)

So actually the 1st National winner in Holland is van Vliet Sil (Ter Aar)

The Dutch National winner, and the 1st International winner from Netherlands are not the same fanciers

That’s mad
Makes a bit of a mockery of a great race

These two day international races are a bit of a joke really. The results are always misleading. How different countries can have different hours of darkness is beyond me. Birds clocked overnight here would be given a clocking time of the start of the second day. It’s also impossible to compare those flying overnight over the flat ground of Holland and those from the UK that have the channel to cross. I think many of these international birds are much overrated.

NeilA wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:45 am That’s mad
Makes a bit of a mockery of a great race

Yes it is stupid but so was the UK having TWO National winners from Barcelone one year or THREE National winners from Lerwick.

king wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 1:14 pm

NeilA wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:45 am That’s mad
Makes a bit of a mockery of a great race

Yes it is stupid but so was the UK having TWO National winners from Barcelone one year or THREE National winners from Lerwick.

We have 2 national winners often from the bicc and bbc we had one or two in the last two weeks don’t think that’s connected by hours of darkness though more down to joining the clubs or not

What were the 3 at Lerwick I can only think of two ?

Maybe add the CSCFC to that?

It's a reach of the imagination to call that a "National" winner though

NeilA wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 1:23 pm

king wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 1:14 pm

NeilA wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:45 am That’s mad
Makes a bit of a mockery of a great race

Yes it is stupid but so was the UK having TWO National winners from Barcelone one year or THREE National winners from Lerwick.

We have 2 national winners often from the bicc and bbc we had one or two in the last two weeks don’t think that’s connected by hours of darkness though more down to joining the clubs or not

What were the 3 at Lerwick I can only think of two ?

I'm sure there were 3 Neil at Lerwick the BBC, BICC and I thought there was another up that year in the race?

king wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 1:26 pm

NeilA wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 1:23 pm

king wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 1:14 pm

Yes it is stupid but so was the UK having TWO National winners from Barcelone one year or THREE National winners from Lerwick.

We have 2 national winners often from the bicc and bbc we had one or two in the last two weeks don’t think that’s connected by hours of darkness though more down to joining the clubs or not

What were the 3 at Lerwick I can only think of two ?

I'm sure there were 3 Neil at Lerwick the BBC, BICC and I thought there was another up that year in the race?

You might be thinking nrcc but there no where near a national but do fly Lerwick
I don’t think nfc went might be central southern but again that takes in a fraction of the south it doesn’t even stretch to my area of north east London or Essex

I’m pretty confident BBC, BICC and CSCFC were the 3 organisations involved

MIL wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 2:32 pm I’m pretty confident BBC, BICC and CSCFC were the 3 organisations involved

You maybe right. Resulting in 2 National and 1 classic winner from the same lib where there should have been only one Winner.