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DEEP KEELS

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 2:14 pm
by Diamond Dave
I'm sure I've read somewhere that deep keeled birds are easier to condition?
What are ppls thoughts......

Re: DEEP KEELS

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 2:25 pm
by Devo1956
The advantage in the long deep keeled bird is that he will not put on extra weight or fat easily, whereas the short keeled apple bodied pigeon must be kept constantly in racing trim with strict rations and extra exercise. What is known as paying for your wins with high fuel costs for training.

Re: DEEP KEELS

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 2:31 pm
by NeilA
Not a fan of deep pigeons
But my best sprinters who won 3 times against 900-1200 birds plus had 2nd etc was all front and a little deep
No rump he was like two pigeons joined together
I was embarrassed to give him to top fanciers at marking as I knew he was horrible in the hand
I lost him at a east 150 mile races when the cocks fell in so never new what happened he was only 2
I bred 2 babies off him only in his life one was 4th combine plus 5 times top 6 against 850-1200 birds
But you wouldn’t want him in the hand

Re: DEEP KEELS

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 5:22 pm
by Diamond Dave
Devo1956 wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2024 2:25 pm The advantage in the long deep keeled bird is that he will not put on extra weight or fat easily, whereas the short keeled apple bodied pigeon must be kept constantly in racing trim with strict rations and extra exercise. What is known as paying for your wins with high fuel costs for training.
Does that make them better for the distance then Devo?

Re: DEEP KEELS

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 5:25 pm
by Diamond Dave
NeilA wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2024 2:31 pm Not a fan of deep pigeons
But my best sprinters who won 3 times against 900-1200 birds plus had 2nd etc was all front and a little deep
No rump he was like two pigeons joined together
I was embarrassed to give him to top fanciers at marking as I knew he was horrible in the hand
I lost him at a east 150 mile races when the cocks fell in so never new what happened he was only 2
I bred 2 babies off him only in his life one was 4th combine plus 5 times top 6 against 850-1200 birds
But you wouldn’t want him in the hand
Does that make deep keeled birds bad handling birds then NeilA or is that just your preference?

Re: DEEP KEELS

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 5:26 pm
by NeilA
Devo1956 wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2024 2:25 pm The advantage in the long deep keeled bird is that he will not put on extra weight or fat easily, whereas the short keeled apple bodied pigeon must be kept constantly in racing trim with strict rations and extra exercise. What is known as paying for your wins with high fuel costs for training.
Why is that advantage fats not stored in the breast is it ?

Re: DEEP KEELS

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 5:31 pm
by NeilA
Diamond Dave wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2024 5:25 pm
NeilA wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2024 2:31 pm Not a fan of deep pigeons
But my best sprinters who won 3 times against 900-1200 birds plus had 2nd etc was all front and a little deep
No rump he was like two pigeons joined together
I was embarrassed to give him to top fanciers at marking as I knew he was horrible in the hand
I lost him at a east 150 mile races when the cocks fell in so never new what happened he was only 2
I bred 2 babies off him only in his life one was 4th combine plus 5 times top 6 against 850-1200 birds
But you wouldn’t want him in the hand
Does that make deep keeled birds bad handling birds then NeilA or is that just your preference?
My preference , my 90 percent of my best are not deep keeled . I prefer not to have them

Re: DEEP KEELS

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 5:57 pm
by Devo1956
Diamond Dave wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2024 5:22 pm
Devo1956 wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2024 2:25 pm The advantage in the long deep keeled bird is that he will not put on extra weight or fat easily, whereas the short keeled apple bodied pigeon must be kept constantly in racing trim with strict rations and extra exercise. What is known as paying for your wins with high fuel costs for training.
Does that make them better for the distance then Devo?
I would have to say yes Dave, i think in the sport horses for courses. Even though they are racing pigeons. Just my thoughts.

Re: DEEP KEELS

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 5:59 pm
by Devo1956
NeilA wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2024 5:26 pm
Devo1956 wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2024 2:25 pm The advantage in the long deep keeled bird is that he will not put on extra weight or fat easily, whereas the short keeled apple bodied pigeon must be kept constantly in racing trim with strict rations and extra exercise. What is known as paying for your wins with high fuel costs for training.
Why is that advantage fats not stored in the breast is it ?
I would say everything goes to the gut and different fuels go to places where needed Neil.

Re: DEEP KEELS

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 6:01 pm
by NeilA
Sorry Devo are you saying distance pigeons are better if deep keeled due to storing more fat as they are deep ?