Sorry George
Been a day or so and I was out last night at the theatre
I did see a thread though with 2 Leideman based pigeons on and you were asking my thoughts on them?
I've looked for the thread but can't put my finger on it at present
There's obviously some really famous pigeons in the pedigrees of those 2 birds
As you say though, they are probably slightly further back than I'd like personally - but closer comes at a price
There are some better value pigeons out there in my opinion than the ones you listed
If you look at the Dean Childs sale on Excelsior Pigeon
https://www.excelsiorpigeon.com/auction ... hilds-pt-2
There are G.Children of KBDB Champions there, G.Children of RPRA Sprint Champions and Direct children of say 1st Open BICC and you'd pay less than £150.00 for them. You won't get better value than that anywhere
All that's happened is the "BEST KITTEL" family are not the commercial powerhouse that they were when I was selling them back in 2019 - but they are still a good pigeon. Ask people who fly against Shaun McDonough - he gets em going week in week out
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Thank you Mike, i will take a look at that sale. Dean not only a good bird man. But also very good with the greyhounds, i took the topic off Mike i had second thoughts about them. So much going on at the moment, so thank you for the information.