Amino acids

[NeilA]

What’s members thoughts on adding amino acids to the pigeons diet or is corn sufficient on its own or has the quality of corn changed
Is there a requirement to add them now days

[Murray]

Amino acids is a subject all of it's own. The required balance between omega 3,6,and 9 is known but poorly understood.
Like every other snake oil ever sold to the pigeon sport, there are products on the market which claim to "correct" the imbalance of amino acids and 'give your pigeons the winning edge'.
Nonsense.
I do give my pigeons in training a fish oil capsule squeezed over the grain a couple of times a week. it may, MAY, contribute to a balanced amino acid intake.
I wouldn't bet money on it.

[Andy]

What’s members thoughts on adding amino acids to the pigeons diet or is corn sufficient on its own or has the quality of corn changed
Is there a requirement to add them now days

Having been in farming for many years the quality of corn can vary quite a bit from year to year and even field to field. Some years will be good some years not so good. The only way you would know the quality is to test all the different grains in a mix to find what is quality is. Of course this should be being done by the corn merchants but they would only make sure the quality is of a certain standard. In reality the analysis could still be very variable from batch to batch that they make. We regularly tested the feed they we fed to the cows to see if anything needed to be added.

[MIL]

I was a big believer in this, and so are some very very very very very exceptional fliers

They all use this regularly

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[NeilA]

What’s members thoughts on adding amino acids to the pigeons diet or is corn sufficient on its own or has the quality of corn changed
Is there a requirement to add them now days

Having been in farming for many years the quality of corn can vary quite a bit from year to year and even field to field. Some years will be good some years not so good. The only way you would know the quality is to test all the different grains in a mix to find what is quality is. Of course this should be being done by the corn merchants but they would only make sure the quality is of a certain standard. In reality the analysis could still be very variable from batch to batch that they make. We regularly tested the feed they we fed to the cows to see if anything needed to be added.

Would the germination time show the quality or would that not be relevant for amino acids in the grain

[NeilA]

I was a big believer in this, and so are some very very very very very exceptional fliers

They all use this regularly

https://tollisan.com/produkt/med-tollya ... t/?lang=en

I only ever used that Saturday or Sunday or in the moult to use up the bottle
Do you think it should be used all year due to corn deficiency

[Murray]

What’s members thoughts on adding amino acids to the pigeons diet or is corn sufficient on its own or has the quality of corn changed
Is there a requirement to add them now days

Having been in farming for many years the quality of corn can vary quite a bit from year to year and even field to field. Some years will be good some years not so good. The only way you would know the quality is to test all the different grains in a mix to find what is quality is. Of course this should be being done by the corn merchants but they would only make sure the quality is of a certain standard. In reality the analysis could still be very variable from batch to batch that they make. We regularly tested the feed they we fed to the cows to see if anything needed to be added.

Would the germination time show the quality or would that not be relevant for amino acids in the grain

Not relevant at all.

[Murray]

The thing is, let's say I am feeding peas and wheat, and you are feeding a balanced diet with emphasis on fats and energy and things.
I see a big shiny advert, telling me that their 'New product, developed by leading scientists' WILL correct the imbalances in the amino acids in my feed.
That new product must be the best thing ever, if It will 'correct' the feed, regardless of whether you are stuck in 1956 and admiring the beans you got for the season, or in 2024, and trying to decide which race mix to buy.
As the old saying goes, " There's one born ever minute".

[NeilA]

The thing is, let's say I am feeding peas and wheat, and you are feeding a balanced diet with emphasis on fats and energy and things.
I see a big shiny advert, telling me that their 'New product, developed by leading scientists' WILL correct the imbalances in the amino acids in my feed.
That new product must be the best thing ever, if It will 'correct' the feed, regardless of whether you are stuck in 1956 and admiring the beans you got for the season, or in 2024, and trying to decide which race mix to buy.
As the old saying goes, " There's one born ever minute".

I thought amino acids were important in everyone’s diet , I just thought maybe the grain we feed our pigeons might not be the best quality I know a lot of barley used by dine feed companies would be not of human food chain grade so could that for example not contain the right level of amino acids and the same for other grains in a mixture

[Devo1956]

I always used promotor L

Amino acids are important for the health and performance of racing pigeons, helping with muscle repair, recovery, and feather growth:
Muscle repair and recovery
Amino acids are essential for muscle repair and recovery after a race.
Feather growth
Amino acids contribute to the quality and growth of feathers, which are important for insulation and flight.

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