Any Eye Sign Specialists

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Andy could you explain breeding lines as I think I am confusing them with shade
There both in the inner circle are they ?
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Brilliant Andy - every day is a school day!!
So, saying that Neils picture is ok as a breeding eye, what sort of eye would you be looking for to compliment it and moreover, what would not compliment it.
I appreciate that the whole thing is much more complex than what you are posting but I would like to understand
the basic principles to check out my own birds.
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Unless a fancier is actually buying a bird on it's eye, judging your own birds on eyesign is a little pointless. If you haven't got the colour eye in your loft you are after, you aren't going to breed it by chance. Eye colour like feather colour is genetic. You can only breed what colour genetics allows. If you have 2 nestmates one you view with a 'good' eye colour and the other without, BOTH birds are still able to produce the same eye colour.
And any fancier racing I would expect to pair his birds on performance and not on their eyes?
And whilst this tread is interesting for views, history has proven that the vast majority of 'eyesign' experts are known for eyesign rather than actual racing.
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I never used eye sign King but it’s handy to understand how to stop your family going downhill by having a bit of knowledge to prevent it
If your pairing and in two minds over a pair and say have two hens you rate equal then eyesign might be something that would help decide the pairings if you can’t decide
I can’t say of it works as I have never used it once
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I would say Neil the best way to assess if a family is going downhill is to look at the result sheet on a Saturday night

The rest of it, not just eyesign - is all pretty meaningless really
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MIL wrote: Sun Nov 17, 2024 1:49 pm I would say Neil the best way to assess if a family is going downhill is to look at the result sheet on a Saturday night

The rest of it, not just eyesign - is all pretty meaningless really
Yes results first I totally agree I just wondered how it all worked as our mutual friend (NB) is bang into eyes and I have no knowledge what so ever
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Not at all Mil, you can say that of all the "theories" and you probably do, but all of us have our own little fads and fancies which go towards making the sport more enjoyable for the individual.
May not be anything in it but unless you look into it for yourself I dont see how you can dismiss it. Thats just the way I look at it anyway mate - each to thier own.
The reason I want to know about it so that I know what others are looking at when they look at the eye.
I have to agree with King about the colour being genetic but would like to know a bit more about the format and principles of eyesign which could also be genetic and therefore it could confirm or even take the place of a pedigree. It certainly has the potential to be more reliable than a written pedigree in the current light of affairs lol.
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NeilA wrote: Sun Nov 17, 2024 2:45 pm
MIL wrote: Sun Nov 17, 2024 1:49 pm I would say Neil the best way to assess if a family is going downhill is to look at the result sheet on a Saturday night

The rest of it, not just eyesign - is all pretty meaningless really
Yes results first I totally agree I just wondered how it all worked as our mutual friend (NB) is bang into eyes and I have no knowledge what so ever
When I go catch my flight on Wednesday i've gotta pick him a hen out
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MIL wrote: Sun Nov 17, 2024 3:00 pm
NeilA wrote: Sun Nov 17, 2024 2:45 pm
MIL wrote: Sun Nov 17, 2024 1:49 pm I would say Neil the best way to assess if a family is going downhill is to look at the result sheet on a Saturday night

The rest of it, not just eyesign - is all pretty meaningless really
Yes results first I totally agree I just wondered how it all worked as our mutual friend (NB) is bang into eyes and I have no knowledge what so ever
When I go catch my flight on Wednesday i've gotta pick him a hen out
Grizzle no doubt
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Diamond Dave wrote: Sun Nov 17, 2024 2:47 pm Not at all Mil, you can say that of all the "theories" and you probably do, but all of us have our own little fads and fancies which go towards making the sport more enjoyable for the individual.
May not be anything in it but unless you look into it for yourself I dont see how you can dismiss it. Thats just the way I look at it anyway mate - each to thier own.
The reason I want to know about it so that I know what others are looking at when they look at the eye.
I have to agree with King about the colour being genetic but would like to know a bit more about the format and principles of eyesign which could also be genetic and therefore it could confirm or even take the place of a pedigree. It certainly has the potential to be more reliable than a written pedigree in the current light of affairs lol.
Dave I raced over 50 years. Went to many eyesign evenings. I met several of best known experts. Only one did I find interesting. That was Brian May, he was one of the most knowledgable men I have ever met. He talked of both pigeon eyes & human eyes. He explained what the eye could tell us? Most of what it told us was about health, NOT ability.
The eye will NEVER take the place of a pedigree. A pedigree written by a honest man, will be FACT.
Eyesign will ALWAYS remain theory. Many birds when sold or photographed often have a picture of the eye on the pic or pedigree. If it was so important why doesn't the eye pic come with any explanation?
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