Any Eye Sign Specialists

[Andy]

Andy, despite some of the other traits that I dont yet understand is a full iris not good for breeding at all or can you put it with an eye which has a sparse iris. ie can you compensate unfavourable traits?

Yes you can Dave but I don’t find that very successful if the iris is very full. Rather than putting these to a eye with lots of room you’ll probably put them to a weak eye and that pigeon probably won’t be any good. Those eyes are better for racing.

[George and Morgan]

Andy can you say why you made no comment on my eye photo if you wish not to that;s fine

[Andy]

Sorry George. I will do that tomorrow. I’m not very well today so going to bed in a minute. Nothing serious just a bit of a bad cold.

[Murray]

Sorry George. I will do that tomorrow. I’m not very well today so going to bed in a minute. Nothing serious just a bit of a bad cold.

Hope you are feeling better Andy.
Nothing worse than having to go to work feeling crook.

[Diamond Dave]

OMG and WoW, I didnt realise I was in the presence of pigeon ROYALTY.
Very nice to meet you Mike. I will be hanging on to your evrry post from here on in.

[NeilA]

OMG and WoW, I didnt realise I was in the presence of pigeon ROYALTY.
Very nice to meet you Mike. I will be hanging on to your evrry post from here on in.

He’s a top bloke helps anyone with advice
Lucky to have him on the site

[Murray]

Yes, Mike has forgotten more about pigeons than most of us ever knew. He talks a great deal of common sense.
It puts me in mind of the great Aussie trainer Bart Cummings, who trained 13 Melbourne Cup winners and was and a legend of the Australian turf. His son Anthony was interviewed after a big win, and said "Dad taught me everything I know. But he didn't teach me everything he knows".
Some blokes just have a deeper understanding of the animals I think.

[king]

Dave I raced over 50 years. Went to many eyesign evenings. I met several of best known experts. Only one did I find interesting. That was Brian May, he was one of the most knowledgable men I have ever met. He talked of both pigeon eyes & human eyes. He explained what the eye could tell us? Most of what it told us was about health, NOT ability.
The eye will NEVER take the place of a pedigree. A pedigree written by a honest man, will be FACT.
Eyesign will ALWAYS remain theory. Many birds when sold or photographed often have a picture of the eye on the pic or pedigree. If it was so important why doesn't the eye pic come with any explanation?

King, In the light of the current situation with house of aarden, I would argue that most pedigrees are "enhanced" in one way or another perhaps just with the odd "revelationary superbative words to make it sound that little bit better and then, most of the photos of the birds and their eyes on a pedigree or montages are all photo-shopped to also make it look that little bit better. There is bullshit involved whenever and wherever there are birds for sale.
IMO enhancing any element of a bird for sale is actually dishonest which probably covers about 95% of birds for sale today.
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I'm sure your right Dave. There is bullshit involved whenever and wherever there are birds for sale. I did say a pedigree provided by an honest man though. I know many fanciers who are genuine, but most of them would give you a bird rather than sell you it.

[Murray]

Dave I raced over 50 years. Went to many eyesign evenings. I met several of best known experts. Only one did I find interesting. That was Brian May, he was one of the most knowledgable men I have ever met. He talked of both pigeon eyes & human eyes. He explained what the eye could tell us? Most of what it told us was about health, NOT ability.
The eye will NEVER take the place of a pedigree. A pedigree written by a honest man, will be FACT.
Eyesign will ALWAYS remain theory. Many birds when sold or photographed often have a picture of the eye on the pic or pedigree. If it was so important why doesn't the eye pic come with any explanation?

King, In the light of the current situation with house of aarden, I would argue that most pedigrees are "enhanced" in one way or another perhaps just with the odd "revelationary superbative words to make it sound that little bit better and then, most of the photos of the birds and their eyes on a pedigree or montages are all photo-shopped to also make it look that little bit better. There is bullshit involved whenever and wherever there are birds for sale.
IMO enhancing any element of a bird for sale is actually dishonest which probably covers about 95% of birds for sale today.

I'm sure your right Dave. There is bullshit involved whenever and wherever there are birds for sale. I did say a pedigree provided by an honest man though. I know many fanciers who are genuine, but most of them would give you a bird rather than sell you it.
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By crikey that's the truth, king.
A bloke who wants to sell a bird will enhance the pedigree to emphasize the relationship to past good ones. I suppose that's understandable.
The one who has good pigeons and wants to see others do well with them, he'll give one to you.
I can talk, I've got a shed full of some of the best bred pigeons in Australia. All given to me by a man who for no reason has given me babies and eggs off the very best.
It's probably only me, but this makes me appreciate them as individuals rather than Dollar signs.

[Diamond Dave]

Absolutely right King, I only keep a few and most of them have been gift birds.
I've found it quite easy to recognise the bullshitters simply by what and how the pedigree is written.
The ones that piss me off the most are auctioneers who dont care what they are selling or who they sell to but then if people are so gullible to be taken in by it all, you could say they deserve what they get.