Any Eye Sign Specialists

[Buster121]

Ha -ha, the conflicting opinions one after the other made me laugh.
Like I said, its taken me 4 -6 years to get this team together. I'm certainly not changing it now. Most of that time has been spent waiting in the garden for birds that were never gonna come home. I think things clicked for me this last year and I am looking forward to having a little more success. I have a proper loft now and am also semi-retired, so am going to have a real go at it. If I have a piss-poor season next year I might need to re-evaluate everything but for now, I am still interested in eyesign and will still seek some guidance from Andy (if you dont mind Andy) perhaps privately, so as not to rub everyone else up the wrong way.

Good luck and hope you achieve your aims Dave, have a look at that book on ebay I said about may be of help to you, oh by the way only one seems to get rubbed up the wrong way

[MIL]

In my experience working as close as possible to a good winning gene pool is far more important than any eyesign a pigeon may have

I've never met a good eyesign man that could beat me on even a remotely regular basis

On Wednesday I flew over to Gordon Bros to look at their new breeders

They have a full round of Pierre Beyl and a full round from Dirk Van Den Bulck (all 2024 bred)

I'd handled about 10-12 hens then they passed me another hen

As soon as she hit my fingertips I said "Ooooh Gary this is brilliant. This is special. What the f^ck is this?!"

He and Niall smiled at each other and said "That's the mother of "Supersonic Blizzard" (One of the best YB in Europe in 2024)

Moral of the story?

First loft I've been to in a decade - I still got it (and no need for an eye-glass)

[Buster121]

In my experience working as close as possible to a good winning gene pool is far more important than any eyesign a pigeon may have

I've never met a good eyesign man that could beat me on even a remotely regular basis

Mike I agree with you 100% but some folks wish to also look at other avenues and as we all know ''ALL ROADS LEAD TO ROME'', I like to look at eyes but certainly would not base breeding etc on them as we all should know the basket is the best pedigree out there

[MIL]

Totally

I'm a performance based and minded individual

Excuses don't cut with me.

Like a keep referring back to though, I never met a good eyesign man that could go head to head with me on a Saturday

That's not arrogant - thats just the truth

[Diamond Dave]

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On Wednesday I flew over to Gordon Bros to look at their new breeders

They have a full round of Pierre Beyl and a full round from Dirk Van Den Bulck (all 2024 bred)

I'd handled about 10-12 hens then they passed me another hen

As soon as she hit my fingertips I said "Ooooh Gary this is brilliant. This is special. What the f^ck is this?!"

He and Niall smiled at each other and said "That's the mother of "Supersonic Blizzard" (One of the best YB in Europe in 2024)

Moral of the story?

First loft I've been to in a decade - I still got it (and no need for an eye-glass)
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Good for you Mike, theres no mistaking arrogance over experience mate. I 've still a way to go before I can recognise a feeling like that. I still find it difficult to recognise the handling of a distance bird against a sprinter. Whenever I go to the shows I try to handle as many of the distance birds as I can to try to get a feel for them. Even then, its very rare I get a chance to handle actual winners.

[Murray]

In my experience working as close as possible to a good winning gene pool is far more important than any eyesign a pigeon may have

I've never met a good eyesign man that could beat me on even a remotely regular basis

On Wednesday I flew over to Gordon Bros to look at their new breeders

They have a full round of Pierre Beyl and a full round from Dirk Van Den Bulck (all 2024 bred)

I'd handled about 10-12 hens then they passed me another hen

As soon as she hit my fingertips I said "Ooooh Gary this is brilliant. This is special. What the f^ck is this?!"

He and Niall smiled at each other and said "That's the mother of "Supersonic Blizzard" (One of the best YB in Europe in 2024)

Moral of the story?

First loft I've been to in a decade - I still got it (and no need for an eye-glass)

Of course you still got it.
It's stockmanship, for want of a better term, and you are born with it or you aren't. When you speak you speak with certainty and knowledge. Andy is another one. When he starts on the subject of dairy cows, he speaks with knowledge and understanding.
I seem to have a bit of it myself. When we first moved to Bendigo about 20 years ago I found the local pigeon club and went along. I was helping with the marking and a bloke handed me a pigeon. I only had it in my hand for a few moments and said, this will win tomorrow. They sort of grinned and rolled their eyes.
It won.