Celibacy system

[NeilA]

With the true celibacy system I’m trying to understand how it can be better than widowhood with either sex
I understand they would keep fit but is the idea they race like young birds as they have never had a sexual partner so they haven’t experienced that side of things
Just can’t see why people fly a method that has no real motivation or is that why ?
I know Murray says they fly it it in Australia but most only fly to ybs or yearling ages so maybe a bit different
I don’t mean a system where they are allowed to bond like chaos as that seems to be not a lot different to having spare hens and letting new bonds form
In a total widowhood system that’s been done for a long time
I mean the true celibacy system what’s the advantage in doing that

[Murray]

I've never done that, I've only had success flying widowhood cocks in New Zealand with big youngsters / young yearlings on natural here.

However, I do know for a fact that going back a few years there was a bloke back in NZ who won everything using the celibacy. I remember he had a team of about a dozen 4 year old cocks that had never been mated. They lived in a separate loft like widow cocks, so they could not hear other pigeons. I wish I could find that article so I could find how he managed them. I think they each had a small box.

I reckon it would work here too, I'm sure it would. You would just have to be prepared to waste your hens and stand the losses racing. With 12 or 16 pigeons you cant last a season. So you would just have to pick your races. And the following year the ones that succeeded might go again.

No, I'm dreaming.

[NeilA]

I've never done that, I've only had success flying widowhood cocks in New Zealand with big youngsters / young yearlings on natural here.

However, I do know for a fact that going back a few years there was a bloke back in NZ who won everything using the celibacy. I remember he had a team of about a dozen 4 year old cocks that had never been mated. They lived in a separate loft like widow cocks, so they could not hear other pigeons. I wish I could find that article so I could find how he managed them. I think they each had a small box.

I reckon it would work here too, I'm sure it would. You would just have to be prepared to waste your hens and stand the losses racing. With 12 or 16 pigeons you cant last a season. So you would just have to pick your races. And the following year the ones that succeeded might go again.

No, I'm dreaming.

Strange how it worked for the old cocks
That’s the bit I don’t get as they have no real territory, be different if they had a nest in previous years
I new a guy here had a few very good years with the cocks being paired in January after splitting they never saw a hen all season but they had claimed there spot so to speak
Returned to nothing just the box

[MIL]

When Ken & Dave raced Dad's birds on the chaos in the last few years (there's a system that's over-egged if ever there was one) they always ran with more hens than cocks. So say 23 hen to 15 cocks. End result being the other 8 were celibate. To be fair the celibate ones raced just as well as the other ones. They race for the craved attention.
Never tried it with cocks though

[Steve Howells]

Last 3 seasons I’ve been playing with a few celibate hens, and been please with them, they won from 70- 500 miles. I used to fly the yearling cock celibate and although they raced ok I used to struggle with them as the races got longer so went back to natural with them.

[NeilA]

When Ken & Dave raced Dad's birds on the chaos in the last few years (there's a system that's over-egged if ever there was one) they always ran with more hens than cocks. So say 23 hen to 15 cocks. End result being the other 8 were celibate. To be fair the celibate ones raced just as well as the other ones. They race for the craved attention.
Never tried it with cocks though

Agree
That chaos system to me is a bit like total widowhood that sit eggs but don’t rear babies but with spare birds unpaired which I imagine happens in a lot of lofts on total widowhood anyway with BOP etc widowhood lofts where both partners are raced end up in the situation yet now they call it the chaos system as if it’s a new thing

[NeilA]

Last 3 seasons I’ve been playing with a few celibate hens, and been please with them, they won from 70- 500 miles. I used to fly the yearling cock celibate and although they raced ok I used to struggle with them as the races got longer so went back to natural with them.

I have a friend who flies yearling hens that way the real outstanding ones stay so he may pick 2/3 out for the next year his view is it works best with yearling hens the rest are used for his widowhood cocks with fresh yearling hens becoming the celibacy team

How did the loses with the yearling cocks go Steve or was there no difference to normal

[Steve Howells]

Last 3 seasons I’ve been playing with a few celibate hens, and been please with them, they won from 70- 500 miles. I used to fly the yearling cock celibate and although they raced ok I used to struggle with them as the races got longer so went back to natural with them.

I have a friend who flies yearling hens that way the real outstanding ones stay so he may pick 2/3 out for the next year his view is it works best with yearling hens the rest are used for his widowhood cocks with fresh yearling hens becoming the celibacy team

How did the loses with the yearling cocks go Steve or was there no difference to normal

On the short races there’s no difference, however the yearling cocks didn’t do so well at the distance and I definitely lost more.

[NeilA]

Cheers Steve