RPRA Rule Changes
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jack walker
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Hi Dave no i did not attend the region meeting i used to be on the EM region. So i know what happens at these meetings cheers jack
Nothing stopping members of the Fed leaving the RPRA. BUT Fed members would have to remain an RPRA member, if they are members of another RPRA club or National club. Those wanting to fly in any non RPRA club & stay RPRA members would have to become dual members.Diamond Dave wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 7:24 amOur fed is fairly like- minded to me in the condemnation of the RPRA (not saying everyone in the fed) and it is a very well run organisation.king wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2025 3:40 pmWell Dave for the vast majority of fanciers you CAN'T get out of being affiliated. The RPRA has a Monopoly that covers most of England. If you live within the boundaries of the NWHU, NEHU, SU, IHU & WHU you do have a CHOICE. But the majority living outside those areas have Hobson's choice., a free choice that is actually no choice at all.Diamond Dave wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:48 pm Thanks King and Neil.
Sorry for all the questions guys but
And that is why the RPRA can do as pleases, the majority of their members can't go elsewhere. You are stuck with them.
Is there anything stopping them flying independantly of the RPRA, - could they?
As usual we have wandered away from the basis of this thread but as I’ve already said I wouldn’t comment further on that it’s probably a good thing.
What King has said is technically correct but under the current rules RPRA members can only be members of another union if that union is recognised, people should be aware of that.
Despite what some people think, I’m all for choice, but I would caution people that exercise choice to do so with open eyes and in full knowledge of what that means.
What King has said is technically correct but under the current rules RPRA members can only be members of another union if that union is recognised, people should be aware of that.
Despite what some people think, I’m all for choice, but I would caution people that exercise choice to do so with open eyes and in full knowledge of what that means.
ALL other UK Unions are recognised. Which one do you know of that isn't? And what choice do RPRA members have?Bowbroom wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 1:59 pm As usual we have wandered away from the basis of this thread but as I’ve already said I wouldn’t comment further on that it’s probably a good thing.
What King has said is technically correct but under the current rules RPRA members can only be members of another union if that union is recognised, people should be aware of that.
Despite what some people think, I’m all for choice, but I would caution people that exercise choice to do so with open eyes and in full knowledge of what that means.
I don’t disagree with you, all the home unions as shown in the appendix to the rules are currently recognised. They all have boundaries in which applicants must reside, the exception being the NWHU who currently accept application from potential affiliates (not full members) for the purchase of rings etc outside their boundaries.
You know as well as I do that there is a letter to be discussed relating to their recognition at the Council meeting following the AGM.
Should they become unrecognised, which I hope doesn’t happen, then that will leave those that have joined unable to compete in any RPRA affiliated organisation as you are also aware.
As for the formation of a new union, I believe that that too would be unrecognised with the same effect.
People should be free to choose their affiliation, I just feel that they should know exactly what that means.
You know as well as I do that there is a letter to be discussed relating to their recognition at the Council meeting following the AGM.
Should they become unrecognised, which I hope doesn’t happen, then that will leave those that have joined unable to compete in any RPRA affiliated organisation as you are also aware.
As for the formation of a new union, I believe that that too would be unrecognised with the same effect.
People should be free to choose their affiliation, I just feel that they should know exactly what that means.
Whilst what you have written is correct at present. IF the NWHU is unrecognised that could backfire dramatically for the RPRA. As you say the NWHU who currently accept application from potential affiliates (not full members) for the purchase of rings etc outside their boundaries. If they are unrecognised they could just change their Rules & Boundaries to include the whole UK just like the RPRA? Then fanciers would have a choice.Bowbroom wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 3:16 pm I don’t disagree with you, all the home unions as shown in the appendix to the rules are currently recognised. They all have boundaries in which applicants must reside, the exception being the NWHU who currently accept application from potential affiliates (not full members) for the purchase of rings etc outside their boundaries.
You know as well as I do that there is a letter to be discussed relating to their recognition at the Council meeting following the AGM.
Should they become unrecognised, which I hope doesn’t happen, then that will leave those that have joined unable to compete in any RPRA affiliated organisation as you are also aware.
As for the formation of a new union, I believe that that too would be unrecognised with the same effect.
People should be free to choose their affiliation, I just feel that they should know exactly what that means.
The NWHU have provided for opening their boundaries within their rules, imo if they did that it would definitely lead to de recognition still leaving members with a choice as long as they realise that they couldn’t be a member of both with all that entails
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Diamond Dave
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Hi Bowbroom, the thing here is that no-one particularly wants an alternative we just want change in the current organisation.
If the RPRA actually recognised the need for change/ modernisation and put something into place then I believe that would satisfy the majority of the membership.
No one is looking to do away with the RPRA but lets be honest about this, it is in a mess and they haven't done anything to help themselves.
I don't think anyone actually feels like a valued member of their own union, infact it is absolutely the opposite.
Everything is done behind closed doors in secrecy, there is no transparancy. There is so much more wrong with it, too much to list on here.
I do want to appeal to you to stay on this thread and keep the narrative going. I dont know you from adam but I do believe that you may well be a counciller or someone very close to council and tbh dipping in and out of the thread only answering what you want to is typical of the whole problem as to how the RPRA is run.
Someone needs to listen to the members whether you like what you hear or not.!
If the RPRA actually recognised the need for change/ modernisation and put something into place then I believe that would satisfy the majority of the membership.
No one is looking to do away with the RPRA but lets be honest about this, it is in a mess and they haven't done anything to help themselves.
I don't think anyone actually feels like a valued member of their own union, infact it is absolutely the opposite.
Everything is done behind closed doors in secrecy, there is no transparancy. There is so much more wrong with it, too much to list on here.
I do want to appeal to you to stay on this thread and keep the narrative going. I dont know you from adam but I do believe that you may well be a counciller or someone very close to council and tbh dipping in and out of the thread only answering what you want to is typical of the whole problem as to how the RPRA is run.
Someone needs to listen to the members whether you like what you hear or not.!
Some on here do want to see the demise of the RPRA as they have a deep seated hatred, just reread this thread and you will discover who.
All that is immaterial though, the voting on the 28th will determine how the association is run in the immediate future either by a continuation of Council or by an executive of 5 people. Either way the RPRA will carry on.
To pick up on your point about accountability, however tortuous it appears to some, under the current system there is a way for members to make their thoughts and feelings known, I’m uncertain how it will work If the management is vested in an executive committee, still we will find out if it happens I guess.
By the way I’m not a Councillor.
ATB
All that is immaterial though, the voting on the 28th will determine how the association is run in the immediate future either by a continuation of Council or by an executive of 5 people. Either way the RPRA will carry on.
To pick up on your point about accountability, however tortuous it appears to some, under the current system there is a way for members to make their thoughts and feelings known, I’m uncertain how it will work If the management is vested in an executive committee, still we will find out if it happens I guess.
By the way I’m not a Councillor.
ATB
Your dig is probably aimed at me, but you couldn't be more wrong. A well run Union is what the fanciers are paying for but not getting. My view and criticism is justified of the RPRA, unless you think everything is hunky dory within the RPRA? Because my view doesn't align with yours, it doesn't make view and criticism invalid.Bowbroom wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2025 1:51 pm Some on here do want to see the demise of the RPRA as they have a deep seated hatred, just reread this thread and you will discover who.
All that is immaterial though, the voting on the 28th will determine how the association is run in the immediate future either by a continuation of Council or by an executive of 5 people. Either way the RPRA will carry on.
To pick up on your point about accountability, however tortuous it appears to some, under the current system there is a way for members to make their thoughts and feelings known, I’m uncertain how it will work If the management is vested in an executive committee, still we will find out if it happens I guess.
By the way I’m not a Councillor.
ATB