Feeding for 750 miles

[goose1]

Can someonrle help me out with a tried and tested feeding plan to fly 750 miles to Barcelona.
I have been trying for some 8 years and have only ever had 2 birds back out of race time.
I believe I have the right birds but dont want to drop any of them through the wrong prep.

Whilst feeding for sprint IS important, for distance it ISN'T. With distance racing the aim is to get your bird fit enough for a fly of X number of hours.
Racing from 500+ miles is down to the actual birds ability NOT what you are feeding it. (remember it's getting fed something different from marking to release, which could be 3 or more days)
I can recall sending to channel races and knew which fanciers were going to clock based just on the conditions NOT what those fanciers were feeding.
If a race is going to be a minimum 13 hour fly, sending a bird that can't fly 13 hours is pointless no matter how it's been prepared.

Absolute nonsense. If the pigeon hasn't been fed the correct feed in the build up to the race it WILL NOT be able to fly 13 hours AND WIN no matter how fit it is! Pigeons like ALL athletes perform to their best when fueled correctly. That's if your wanting to win of course. I suppose they may come home on fitness alone although that's debatable too. I do agree the time on wing will dictate which pigeons are capable of performing to their best, but if you think feeding a pigeon correctly before a long distance race makes no difference then I wish I could fly against you every week. And I don't mean that disrespectfully you may have been a top flier for all I know king .

[goose1]

Good watch that Goose I’m in work today so that broke a otherwise boring day
Dave have a google for Dennis Ford like Goose mentioned it’s a Jim Jenner film
I wish I was better at computers I would load it up for you

Yeah I just stumbled across it a few weeks back so actually went and had another look myself on mentioning it. The amount of trapping mix may actually be more than I first remembered looking at the cup he was using.

https://youtu.be/Hk6y5Gc-EqY?si=9z1I_h5HtLzV38oi

I'm hoping that's the link above for anyone interested but I'm not the best with such things.

I can confirm I'm useless with such things first one was wrong Hopefully this is the Dennis Ford one...
https://youtu.be/DmYrf-ZDsmU?si=X9goML1cfF58MQ-g

[NeilA]

That’s it Goose
Best thing on here for ages
We’ll done

Very similar to what I was on about
With a measured amount carbs fats to trap and the option to go up thus cutting the protein
His system is really sensible

[goose1]

That’s it Goose
Best thing on here for ages
We’ll done

Very similar to what I was on about
With a measured amount carbs fats to trap and the option to go up thus cutting the protein
His system is really sensible

Yes when I watched it it did stick in my mind and reading your post thought they were very similar. Simplistic and effective backed by results.

[NeilA]

That’s it Goose
Best thing on here for ages
We’ll done

Very similar to what I was on about
With a measured amount carbs fats to trap and the option to go up thus cutting the protein
His system is really sensible

Yes when I watched it it did stick in my mind and reading your post thought they were very similar. Simplistic and effective backed by results.

I saw a video some time back where staff van reet was talking about food
Obviously only flying to 80 miles or so
What he did was leave barley in the cocks then fed a measured amount of sport mix with more at the end of the week feeding them just once a day after flying
Another easy system and not a million miles away from Denis Fords only sprint based

[king]

Can someonrle help me out with a tried and tested feeding plan to fly 750 miles to Barcelona.
I have been trying for some 8 years and have only ever had 2 birds back out of race time.
I believe I have the right birds but dont want to drop any of them through the wrong prep.

Whilst feeding for sprint IS important, for distance it ISN'T. With distance racing the aim is to get your bird fit enough for a fly of X number of hours.
Racing from 500+ miles is down to the actual birds ability NOT what you are feeding it. (remember it's getting fed something different from marking to release, which could be 3 or more days)
I can recall sending to channel races and knew which fanciers were going to clock based just on the conditions NOT what those fanciers were feeding.
If a race is going to be a minimum 13 hour fly, sending a bird that can't fly 13 hours is pointless no matter how it's been prepared.

Absolute nonsense. If the pigeon hasn't been fed the correct feed in the build up to the race it WILL NOT be able to fly 13 hours AND WIN no matter how fit it is! Pigeons like ALL athletes perform to their best when fueled correctly. That's if your wanting to win of course. I suppose they may come home on fitness alone although that's debatable too. I do agree the time on wing will dictate which pigeons are capable of performing to their best, but if you think feeding a pigeon correctly before a long distance race makes no difference then I wish I could fly against you every week. And I don't mean that disrespectfully you may have been a top flier for all I know king .

Of course it has to fed correctly, but NOT as important as sprint racers. The point I was making it's the TIME on the wing you are aiming for and NOT the actual distance of the race. Dave was asking about flying 750 miles. I'd be less concerned about feeding, and more about the birds training up to that distance. How many hours has it flown before, and in what condition it arrived home in? I'd rather it arrived home late in a shorter prep race fresh, than say score in that race and look tried ect. 750 miles is going to be a 2 or more day fly. So it needs to be able to put in good shift on the first day, and get up to fly again.

[goose1]

That’s it Goose
Best thing on here for ages
We’ll done

Very similar to what I was on about
With a measured amount carbs fats to trap and the option to go up thus cutting the protein
His system is really sensible

Yes when I watched it it did stick in my mind and reading your post thought they were very similar. Simplistic and effective backed by results.

I saw a video some time back where staff van reet was talking about food
Obviously only flying to 80 miles or so
What he did was leave barley in the cocks then fed a measured amount of sport mix with more at the end of the week feeding them just once a day after flying
Another easy system and not a million miles away from Denis Fords only sprint based

Sounds nice and easy again. There's plenty easy options to get the correct fuel in at the right times without overcomplicating the game. Simplicity.

[NeilA]

Yes I can agree with that Goose

[MIL]

I'm no authority on distance, but I can tell you how I fed my "Obble" cock in 2002

He was a single entry to the MNFC Bergerac at 557 miles and dropped after 14 hrs 5 min on a NE wind winning £1,000

I'm well aware 557 is not 750 but he dropped with virtually all his body weight in tact on him so he'd ben fuelled right


All year long (once he finished rearing) he was on 100% beans morning and night. Beans beans beans

When he could eat no more beans each feed he then had peanuts (redskin - human consumption)

That went on all racing season - even on Friday's and Saturdays

9 days before basketing for Bergerac I dropped the beans and replaced with a high carb widowhood mix

Again eat as much as he could morning and night til he could eat no more - then he ate peanuts

Even if he was full of beans or widowhood he'd always eat peanuts after

[NeilA]

I'm no authority on distance, but I can tell you how I fed my "Obble" cock in 2002

He was a single entry to the MNFC Bergerac at 557 miles and dropped after 14 hrs 5 min on a NE wind winning £1,000

I'm well aware 557 is not 750 but he dropped with virtually all his body weight in tact on him so he'd ben fuelled right


All year long (once he finished rearing) he was on 100% beans morning and night. Beans beans beans

When he could eat no more beans each feed he then had peanuts (redskin - human consumption)

That went on all racing season - even on Friday's and Saturdays

9 days before basketing for Bergerac I dropped the beans and replaced with a high carb widowhood mix

Again eat as much as he could morning and night til he could eat no more - then he ate peanuts

Even if he was full of beans or widowhood he'd always eat peanuts after

Just shows beans again for the distance not a lot different from Dennis Fords hopper
If I went one day to try longer ones I would definitely be very tempted to follow this system with my limited skills it would be one I could manage