Feeding for 750 miles

[Murray]

But once again, the pigeon doesn't know if it's being sent 75 miles or 750 miles. Or if it is being sent anywhere at all.
It's metabolism will process and store what it's system feels it needs.
You can feed it 6 grams or 60 grams or 600 grams of fat. Or protein. Or carbohydrate.
You can modify the uptake of energy a little bit. But what you need to get out of your head is the notion that how a pigeon will perform is totally down to what you feed it.
That is not method, that is arrogance.
The training and fitness level, health and bonding to it's home. These you can change. It's metabolism? I don't think so.

[NeilA]

But once again, the pigeon doesn't know if it's being sent 75 miles or 750 miles. Or if it is being sent anywhere at all.
It's metabolism will process and store what it's system feels it needs.
You can feed it 6 grams or 60 grams or 600 grams of fat. Or protein. Or carbohydrate.
You can modify the uptake of energy a little bit. But what you need to get out of your head is the notion that how a pigeon will perform is totally down to what you feed it.
That is not method, that is arrogance.
The training and fitness level, health and bonding to it's home. These you can change. It's metabolism? I don't think so.

No one said we think it’s only feed Murray
I don't think anyone has on this topic only a fool would think that there are many factors

But we have to send the athletes to perform at there best with as much thought gone into the preparation as possible particularly what Dave plans
Every thing has to be as close to our best that we can get it , marginal gains and all that
No a pigeon doesn’t know it’s got to fly 20 hours we do though
so we should feed with our knowledge of the future of the bird rather than feed for a hours fly at home
If we don’t we have failed the pigeon

Arrogance would not to do our job in the best interest of the bird
Every thing we do should be to the best of our ability for the pigeon

[Andy]

But once again, the pigeon doesn't know if it's being sent 75 miles or 750 miles. Or if it is being sent anywhere at all.
It's metabolism will process and store what it's system feels it needs.
You can feed it 6 grams or 60 grams or 600 grams of fat. Or protein. Or carbohydrate.
You can modify the uptake of energy a little bit. But what you need to get out of your head is the notion that how a pigeon will perform is totally down to what you feed it.
That is not method, that is arrogance.
The training and fitness level, health and bonding to it's home. These you can change. It's metabolism? I don't think so.

I do agree with you there Murray. You have had experiences of top performing race horses and nutrition the same as I have with high yielding dairy cattle. Animals like ourselves only store so much. Most of what we eat today is only relevant to what we are doing today. What I feed the cows today will determine the amount of milk they produce tomorrow, not in 2 or 3 days time. A lot of what is fed is also used for maintenance of the animal. That amount would depend on what they are doing around home. With the pigeons the amount of flying around the loft, the amount of training and even if resting or chasing others around the loft. You can’t over feed protein as protein isn’t stored in the body at all. Any excess to requirements is just excreted out the other end. More protein fed more poo.

[Murray]

Well put, Neil.
But always remember, you can only ever put one gallon in a gallon can.
An old racehorse trainer said that to me once, many many years ago. There's only so much you can feed them.

[NeilA]

Well put, Neil.
But always remember, you can only ever put one gallon in a gallon can.
An old racehorse trainer said that to me once, many many years ago. There's only so much you can feed them.

Agree Murray
My view being that being the case feed them for the job in hand if you can only get 35grams into them in Dave’s case get the fat high
A Belgium sprint fancier flying 80 km a week get the carbs in them

[MIL]

Thanks Mike. Very nice of you to sort that out for me I've never seen Marimans corn round my way but in the light of Neils latter post, I shall be looking at all the corn values from now on.
Think I've been very naive in my approach to racing up to now.

Dave

If you toggle through the pages before you'll find the V-L feed equivalent of feeding for the extreme distance too - not just Marimans