MIL wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2025 2:02 pm
Well here's another question
Say the NFC go mid-afternoon from Tarbes
The birds do 325 miles on Day 1 and a further 325 miles on Day 2
Is that the same as being exposed to 650 miles in one lump on Day 1 ?
See, to me, I've more admiration for the 650 miles in one lump on Day 1
Well there supposed to lib so no birds reach the French coast before dark. So it wouldn't be in your example half the race first day and half the 2nd day. As many of the shorter flying birds may actually fly most of the race on the first day.
I recall Mark gilbert having the only bird on the day from Tarbes at 568 miles, but was beaten by 'Pennine Heights' flying 740 miles. It was clear from the result that Pennine Heights may have had flown further on the day than Marks bird as it had another 172 miles further to fly.
I agree Mike 'on the day' is impressive at 600 miles but many flying further may have actually flown further on the day but didn't have time to reach home? So this 'only bird on the day' should be really 'only bird clocked on the day'
Is that where the hours of darkness come into it
Some could be flying after the race closes so possible have made 40 miles more than a bird clicked just as the race closes for the day
Well there supposed to lib so no birds reach the French coast before dark. So it wouldn't be in your example half the race first day and half the 2nd day. As many of the shorter flying birds may actually fly most of the race on the first day.
I recall Mark gilbert having the only bird on the day from Tarbes at 568 miles, but was beaten by 'Pennine Heights' flying 740 miles. It was clear from the result that Pennine Heights may have had flown further on the day than Marks bird as it had another 172 miles further to fly.
I agree Mike 'on the day' is impressive at 600 miles but many flying further may have actually flown further on the day but didn't have time to reach home? So this 'only bird on the day' should be really 'only bird clocked on the day'
My question was a theoretical one
You could argue the longer flying birds do do 325 on day 1 and 325 on day 2
Which in your mind ranks higher? That, or 650 on Day 1 ?
NeilA wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2025 3:33 pm
Is that where the hours of darkness come into it
Some could be flying after the race closes so possible have made 40 miles more than a bird clicked just as the race closes for the day
This is where the variables come into play so much you see
So, let's randomly say the race "opens" on Day 2 at say 04:40
It might be a glorious morning on Day 2 where the birds are up and at it early
On t'other hand it might be fogged in and no birds moving until (randomly say) 10am
The clock don't stop ticking once the race is open again
NeilA wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2025 3:33 pm
Is that where the hours of darkness come into it
Some could be flying after the race closes so possible have made 40 miles more than a bird clicked just as the race closes for the day
This is where the variables come into play so much you see
So, let's randomly say the race "opens" on Day 2 at say 04:40
It might be a glorious morning on Day 2 where the birds are up and at it early
On t'other hand it might be fogged in and no birds moving until (randomly say) 10am
The clock don't stop ticking once the race is open again
or as happen to me in one NFC YB race the race closed on the day at 8pm. But it was dark in York at 7.30pm.
MIL wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2025 4:08 pm
Exactly, when the racing goes into a 2nd day (or 3rd day) the variables are endless
That's why "in principle" I favour 1 day racing
No ambiguity there
That’s what makes the internationals rather unequal. Apart from the shorter internationals when birds can get over here on the day the Belgium and Dutch birds have a big advantage. There aren’t many birds that will fly over the channel late in the day. Even if the British birds fly over the shortest piece of the channel it’s still 26 miles of water. Any that do come down here into the SW have 70+ miles of water to cross, or their doing a 140 mile dog leg. The Belgium and Dutch birds are flying over relatively flat ground and quite well lit especially along their main roads. So their birds can go on flying a lot later into the night.
Back just enjoying club racing for the time being.
MIL wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2025 4:08 pm
Exactly, when the racing goes into a 2nd day (or 3rd day) the variables are endless
That's why "in principle" I favour 1 day racing
No ambiguity there
That’s what makes the internationals rather unequal. Apart from the shorter internationals when birds can get over here on the day the Belgium and Dutch birds have a big advantage. There aren’t many birds that will fly over the channel late in the day. Even if the British birds fly over the shortest piece of the channel it’s still 26 miles of water. Any that do come down here into the SW have 70+ miles of water to cross, or their doing a 140 mile dog leg. The Belgium and Dutch birds are flying over relatively flat ground and quite well lit especially along their main roads. So their birds can go on flying a lot later into the night.
Agree
I think on other posts I mentioned imagine how many BIcc the Padfields would have won if they lived in Kent
MIL wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2025 4:08 pm
Exactly, when the racing goes into a 2nd day (or 3rd day) the variables are endless
That's why "in principle" I favour 1 day racing
No ambiguity there
That’s what makes the internationals rather unequal. Apart from the shorter internationals when birds can get over here on the day the Belgium and Dutch birds have a big advantage. There aren’t many birds that will fly over the channel late in the day. Even if the British birds fly over the shortest piece of the channel it’s still 26 miles of water. Any that do come down here into the SW have 70+ miles of water to cross, or their doing a 140 mile dog leg. The Belgium and Dutch birds are flying over relatively flat ground and quite well lit especially along their main roads. So their birds can go on flying a lot later into the night.
Agree
I think on other posts I mentioned imagine how many BIcc the Padfields would have won if they lived in Kent
Yes definitely Neil. There are some great performances from some of those Welsh fliers in the Nationals.
Back just enjoying club racing for the time being.
goose1 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2025 12:03 pm
All top pigeons Mike. We've a hen there from Batenburg from Luna May she was 5th International in a real tough Barcelona when she was paired to a cock out of a pair who had won 1st (Sumerian Fighter) and 4th (saar) International , her first children are just at the yearling stage so be a year or two before we can make a judgement on her
That's a hen with a lot in her locker there Gavin
Have you had her mated to shall we say a "continental" type cock or the English distance lines that you have?
Last year ,her first year, we had her paired to a son of Verweij-de Haans Miss Milos, really just to work on the Milos line, as you probably know Mike, Luna May was herself bred from a nest pair of grandchildren of Milos.
This year she's paired to a son of Wingdown, when Wingdown was paired to a daughter of Forrest Junior.
