A mistake I made.

[Murray]

Yes, imprinted. That's the trick.
Mine are fed as much mixture as they want twice a day and have peas in front of them all day long while they go through the heavy moult. So they are not exactly trapping like rockets but as soon as they tighten up they will go back onto a more fixed amount and they'll be dropping quick again.
As I said, I've never put a pigeon through a trap. They figure that one out on day one.
Healthy fit youngsters flying well have a good appetite. It doesn't take long to get them dropping quickly. Well I find that anyway.
I just stand by the board and talk to them, they all jump in. Many roads lead to Rome

[NeilA]

It’s not always food Murray
My ybs have food there for first two weeks they still trap as its fear that’s started the system more than food
On the board before they can fly so they feel a bit scared of being out
Open the trap and they shoot in

[Murray]

That is precisely it, Neil.
Fear.
I try to not use fear. I try to using bonding.
Same result, different approach.

[NeilA]

That is precisely it, Neil.
Fear.
I try to not use fear. I try to using bonding.
Same result, different approach.

Only takes 4/5 goes then it’s done for life to the speed required in a tight competitive group of lofts where half a turn is defeat but what ever works for you is good

[Murray]

Exactly.
Last year I had 35 young birds and a 7 slot sputnik. From a toss I could get every pigeon in the loft within 30 seconds.
I dunno, they just seemed to get the urgency when it started to matter

[Murray]

I am being obtuse, just for the fun of it.
Of course they must learn to come in when called, and that must happen from the first time they go outside.
But how you do it and how I do it might be quite different

[NeilA]

Exactly.
Last year I had 35 young birds and a 7 slot sputnik. From a toss I could get every pigeon in the loft within 30 seconds.
I dunno, they just seemed to get the urgency when it started to matter

Need to be quicker than that Murray

[Trev]

Exactly.
Last year I had 35 young birds and a 7 slot sputnik. From a toss I could get every pigeon in the loft within 30 seconds.
I dunno, they just seemed to get the urgency when it started to matter

Need to be quicker than that Murray

[worm]

like this a very well know fancier your 35 were beat by all his
https://youtu.be/izx2Vz9DjZM?feature=shared

[Trev]

https://youtube.com/shorts/O8bJts2tO0U? ... jpS744Auxv

Excellent, lovely to see, well done.
I have to say that the only time mine go in that quick is when the bloody Hawk is around

I do train mine to trap, but as I don't focus on sprint racing the speed of trap has never been paramount. Don't get me wrong, I still get very frustrated if birds just sit on the roof and won't come in, but a few seconds has never bothered me. My birds, young and old, all fly together on an open loft during the racing seasons so teaching youngsters to trap that quickly doesn't happen. They don't usually waste too much time on race days but I'd certainly still be bottom of the sheet in a fast race.