Oils and seeds

[NeilA]

Anyone know of a article to compare how long oils take to convert to fat to fly on as a energy source
Fat in Seeds seems about 36-48 hours from the Wim Muller article I have and just wondering what kind of time oils take as the process has started

[Trev]

Sorry Neil, I can't help you with that one mate, it all gets far too scientific for me.
Whatever I may or may not use, I just do what it says on the bottle lol

[Murray]

I have nothing to support this, other than a bit of practice, but I am becoming more and more dubious about piling heaps of fats into a pigeon.
About 20 years ago, or more, the 'Brand name" racehorse feeds were swimming in oil. Fast forward and I've seen the feed given to horses by good trainers. They seem to contain a lot of carbs and about 1 cupful of sunflower seed. For a 1000 pound horse.
I do like to feed a fair bit of safflower, sunflower etc, but don't add oils. Except for 1 fish oil capsule for 20 or 30 pigeons.
A pigeon's natural diet is unlikely to be very high in fats. I wonder if we aren't making it harder for them by tipping heaps of oils into them.
As I say, just my thoughts.

[NeilA]

I have nothing to support this, other than a bit of practice, but I am becoming more and more dubious about piling heaps of fats into a pigeon.
About 20 years ago, or more, the 'Brand name" racehorse feeds were swimming in oil. Fast forward and I've seen the feed given to horses by good trainers. They seem to contain a lot of carbs and about 1 cupful of sunflower seed. For a 1000 pound horse.
I do like to feed a fair bit of safflower, sunflower etc, but don't add oils. Except for 1 fish oil capsule for 20 or 30 pigeons.
A pigeon's natural diet is unlikely to be very high in fats. I wonder if we aren't making it harder for them by tipping heaps of oils into them.
As I say, just my thoughts.

The thing I am going with is fats as in hemp sunflower etc taking 36 -48 hours to convert to energy
So the sensible thing would be to feed fats Thursday morning rather than my normal Thursday night
Going on 3gram of fat per hour after the intial 30-60 mins flown on carbs
So if we feed a mix containing 10 per cent fat like Galaxy light and fed 35 grams we loaded 3.5grams Thursday after the morning fly over the two Thursday feeds but does the actual Thursday evening show feed get converted for use Saturday 7am
Where my thinking is a little oil could be like a sunflower oil on the Thursday night feed over a high carb feed may well be ready as a energy use

[NeilA]

Not saying your wrong though Murray just a idea
Last year I experimented with daily fat like your post with my natural ybs with 20 per cent high fat mix in there good Monday to Wednesday
Thursday this became 25 percent as I dropped the barley
The rest was gerry plus / dupurative so all high carbs
They were falling apart in the moult but still doing a hour a day plus 16 mile trainer
They had 5 races as I protested against one and didn’t send ( as we dropped back to 50 miles )
They won 4 and the fed twice against 90 per cent darkness pigeons
So it got me thinking maybe fat every day and not a load on Thursday
The total fat content was 10 percent cent all week as in actual fat percent in the whole mix rising Thursday to 12 per cent Thursday again that may have been pointless to drop the barley that day but I did want them to eat more
But the fat loading 36-48 hours thing had thrown me for Thursday night

[Murray]

I understand what you were doing and to my untrained eye, i think that was about right.
I am in two minds about the fat loading, I really am not qualified to say what is right. My gut feeling is that young birds and sprinters going up to say 150 miles, we may not be helping them by fat loading.

[jack walker]

Hi Neil i feed similar to you with the extra fats Thursday but i use peanuts and VL energy corn also a light feed of energy corn Friday morning. My mate uses fats every day he told me he read that he just as to keep them topped up. He said he starts is on this feeding a month before racing. i was at a moot and the man on the panel said one day of fats for every 100 mile they have to race. But i have not used any oils on my feed but sounds interesting idea cheers jack

[NeilA]

Hi Neil i feed similar to you with the extra fats Thursday but i use peanuts and VL energy corn also a light feed of energy corn Friday morning. My mate uses fats every day he told me he read that he just as to keep them topped up. He said he starts is on this feeding a month before racing. i was at a moot and the man on the panel said one day of fats for every 100 mile they have to race. But i have not used any oils on my feed but sounds interesting idea cheers jack

Hi Jack
Definitely a interesting topic and one beyond my brain power
Knowing what’s to much or what’s not enough
Your friend seems to have fed very similar to my ybs and I can never remember my naturals falling apart and still happily putting a hour in normally by then it’s 20/25 min and in by the 6th race. Although I do struggle to Understand when fat becomes a dead weight if not used

[MIL]

Can vary mate depending on what oil you refer to

I never added oil after Weds night

[NeilA]

Can vary mate depending on what oil you refer to

I never added oil after Weds night

That’s interesting
So Load fat mid week