Training and peregrine

[NeilA]

What’s people’s thought on training in groups and possible strikes
I let 12 cocks go at 22 miles they were home in 25 mins in a head wind
The next 12 I kept back 7 min instead of my normal 1 min which I do to get them to chase the first lot , due to the head wind and obstacles on route i changed it I though let’s have a gap today

Both cleared and out of sight before I could count to 10 perfect line
Didn’t get a pigeon for 1 hour 10 min from the 2nd then 3 together
I got them spread out over 3 1/2 hours with 2 together at 7.12 last night
Still 2 short in the night
So I new it wasn’t wires as they ones that don’t hit wires just race home the same

So my question is and Goose would be someone with knowledge
Does training in groups with a gap alert the peregrine that thee are possibly more on the way compared to a larger group together
I go in two groups with the idea if they hit one team the other is ok but that could well be wrong and maybe one group getting through would be better

[worm]

you will never know maybe it was travelling and if you went 2min earlier with second lot it would never have seen them or 10 min later missed them as it had gone over

[Diamond Dave]

Its a good question Neil, I always do the same, especially when it comes to ybs.
Ive done the same thing when the 2nd basket as got hit.
Its difficult to know how the mind of these bastad things work.
I suspect that they would make a strike whenever the situation and conditions are right for them. They are not gonna miss a meal.
I think your 1st basket werent in the right place at the right time but your 2nd was.
I would certainly think about changing your training routine for a while so you are not putting it on a plate for them.

[NeilA]

Yep good points
I will definitely change to spot Dave I will keep short to 18 miles tops

[NeilA]

you will never know maybe it was travelling and if you went 2min earlier with second lot it would never have seen them or 10 min later missed them as it had gone over

You not found any best pattern for libs and you would have by now in your area

[worm]

the get hit right out of basket and later it's pot luck we got to go where we go no other options stuck between fells and the sea

[NeilA]

the get hit right out of basket and later it's pot luck we got to go where we go no other options stuck between fells and the sea

That’s awful
What would be the kind of percentage you lose in pre season training

[Johnbee]

I’ve found up here in Scotland. Once I seemed to get a good trainer, I will only lib 5 mins either time of the time I had liberated. Have found sometimes being stuck in traffic and liberating later than the successful lib time I get murdered. As Steve says is just becoming pot luck over the last few years.

[Diamond Dave]

Are you mainly getting mullered at the home end then John?
How do you get on loft flying?

[king]

The bigger the group of pigeons the MORE attention they will attract. More so with YBs. Train in as many smaller groups as you have time for. And although I'm not racing now, when I did my YB team was around 25 birds which was trained and loft flown in TWO teams. In my last four years racing I didn't lose more than a handful of YBs either training or loft flying. And this is despite having 3 pairs of Sparrowhawks and a pair of Peregrines a mile and a half away.
Other local lofts who had a single much larger teams were not so lucky.
95% of my BOP problems were having birds returning from racing having been hit.