NeilA wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2024 9:16 am
Devo if Leon puts a pigeon on here and says what he paid and that he believes he will get his investment back or words to that effect and the pigeon looks a bag of shit surely we can say we don’t like the pigeon can’t we or do we all have to praise every pigeon Leon puts on as per your post or maybe we don’t post at all in reply not to upset anyone , I guess that the modern way now
I think the photo looks terrible and couldn’t careless if Leon spent £10 or 100k like I say money amounts in what I see as a hobby actually has the opposite on me and I would praise someone who spent little money but wins out of turn through skill and work rate rather than one that buys a pigeon for a few grand sticks the photo up on a public forum and then we can’t post that we don’t like the bird as you don’t think we should .
I would much rather see Leon take a photo of pigeons in his loft that have won or breeding winners without the need to mention money paid etc
I wouldn’t want to upset Leon but do think we should be allowed to give negative views rather than just praise and I wish him good luck with the bird
First of all Neil, if a bird is going through its moult it is not going to look to good, It was in a auction so photos need to be taken.
On the pedigree side, you are the first to say, you don't know anything about these new racing pigeons. All the fancy names don't wash with you, well Leon bought this bird on what beliefs to be a very good price.He knows what he wants in his loft, to excel with his breeding loft. Like I have said he takes the chance and pays the money. Good on him the bird will look top notch in a good few weeks.
Devo1956 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 7:23 pm
Well done Leon, your choice your money. They are your birds mate, you know what you want in your breeding loft, I am looking forward to your new breeding season.
Absolutely George, each to their own.
But by putting it up on an open forum Leon is making it available for public consumption and comment, and that's all a coiuple of us are doing.
The Sire looks a decent enough racer, he's scored well on several occasions. That's to be commended
The Dam herself appears to have done nothing herself (aa a breeder) - though she is direct from their very good mating of "Arturo" x "Tila"
The interesting thing is the reference to the money involved
I've seen in recent weeks far superior Leideman pigeons than that go for a lot less money than this
(G.Children of "GOED GRIJS" for £300.00) so we all have our own takes on what a bargain is
Whether he goes on to do well as a breeder only time will tell and I wish you all the best with him Leon
For me, based on the IMAGE ALONE I wouldn't have used him as a feeder.
Mike can I just say, your reply is very constructable, and you understand the buying game at its highest level. Like I have said you make a choice and pay your money, and it is your choice based on knowing what you need, to enrich the blood in your breeding, And good on Leon for having a go in this sport. for me I would praise this young flyer for having a go, Everyone do things different in this sport and have their own views, They are not there to be shot down over a post they make on the site. Like I have said good luck Leon, make it happen.
Mike I am sure if you put a post up on the site, saying how much you spent on the bird and about its breeding. You would not get the same response from members, so what is the difference.
George.
1. Yes I'm very happy to see Leon invesing in pigeons. In my opinion its the only way to progress. ALL the household names do it.
2. I'm not shooting anybody down. If I think the pigeon looks like a pile of shit then i'll say it. If a pigeon looks well then i'll say it too
3. I haven't got a clue what you're on about with this comment Mike I am sure if you put a post up on the site, saying how much you spent on the bird and about its breeding. You would not get the same response from members, so what is the difference. So please enlighten/entertain me. The most I ever spent on a pigeon was £500.00. I raced that pigeon ("The Assassin"). He won me over £2000 in 9 races before I retired him. He has been responsible for HUNDREDS of winners since and when I sold him he went for nearly £4000.00 so please expand on that comment for me to help me understand.
On this site I've seen people congratulate each other for flying like a pile of shiyte. Well forgive me but I can't be doing that. I'm "supportive" of their quest if they're trying their hardest and want to improve, but saying "Well done" for seeing their birds limp home just isn't for me I'm afraid. By the same token if a pigeon "looks" like crap then i'll say it
I agree with Mike that on an open forum we can and should be able to give honest opinions. i do think that we can do that with a little tact. Sometimes it may be best to just say nothing.
I don't like the look of that bird either. The picture has been put through one of those 'cookie cutter' programs that make them all look the same. Look past that and it doesn't look in wonderful order to me.
Greetings from the land down under.
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3. I haven't got a clue what you're on about with this comment Mike I am sure if you put a post up on the site, saying how much you spent on the bird and about its breeding. You would not get the same response from members, so what is the difference. So please enlighten/entertain me. The most I ever spent on a pigeon was £500.00. I raced that pigeon ("The Assassin"). He won me over £2000 in 9 races before I retired him. He has been responsible for HUNDREDS of winners since and when I sold him he went for nearly £4000.00 so please expand on that comment for me to help me understand.
Mike you have been in the game for a long time, and it is your job working on auction sites. You have clear knowledge of the breeding lines needed in today's racing of birds.. Also what is needed for breeding, what I am saying if you put a photo of a bird up, and gave a report on what is possible in the breeding of this bird and also the price what you paid for it. A price you thought was a steal. i am sure you would get a different reaction from others, that is what I was pointing out.
NeilA wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2024 9:16 am
Devo if Leon puts a pigeon on here and says what he paid and that he believes he will get his investment back or words to that effect and the pigeon looks a bag of shit surely we can say we don’t like the pigeon can’t we or do we all have to praise every pigeon Leon puts on as per your post or maybe we don’t post at all in reply not to upset anyone , I guess that the modern way now
I think the photo looks terrible and couldn’t careless if Leon spent £10 or 100k like I say money amounts in what I see as a hobby actually has the opposite on me and I would praise someone who spent little money but wins out of turn through skill and work rate rather than one that buys a pigeon for a few grand sticks the photo up on a public forum and then we can’t post that we don’t like the bird as you don’t think we should .
I would much rather see Leon take a photo of pigeons in his loft that have won or breeding winners without the need to mention money paid etc
I wouldn’t want to upset Leon but do think we should be allowed to give negative views rather than just praise and I wish him good luck with the bird
First of all Neil, if a bird is going through its moult it is not going to look to good, It was in a auction so photos need to be taken.
On the pedigree side, you are the first to say, you don't know anything about these new racing pigeons. All the fancy names don't wash with you, well Leon bought this bird on what beliefs to be a very good price.He knows what he wants in his loft, to excel with his breeding loft. Like I have said he takes the chance and pays the money. Good on him the bird will look top notch in a good few weeks.
Devo
I don’t like the pigeon ok I can’t say I do just because Leon your pal I find Leon a nice bloke but I can’t just say that’s great if I think that isn’t for me
Names mean nothing to me only performance your right any fool can make a name up for a pigeon
Money paid means nothing to me either in pigeons only real life
Kevin Lawson once said to me if you don’t like a pigeon kill it and definitely don’t buy it for the pedigree as you will always dislike it and that mucks up your attitude in the loft
In my view he’s right and if me or you won a fraction of what he did we wouldn’t have done to bad so I go with that advice .
I don’t like the bird Devo but I tell you what when Leon puts another one up I will say nothing unless I like it , that fits in with what you’re wanting me to say and do .
Murray wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2024 9:59 am
I agree with Mike that on an open forum we can and should be able to give honest opinions. i do think that we can do that with a little tact. Sometimes it may be best to just say nothing.
I don't like the look of that bird either. The picture has been put through one of those 'cookie cutter' programs that make them all look the same. Look past that and it doesn't look in wonderful order to me.
That my feeling exactly Murray
And if it’s posted then we should be allowed to say it
Not just praise it ,otherwise don’t open yourself up or mention money
If we say nothing Murray then we are entering the same shit society that is in Facebook and why I came off that after a few weeks
I could have a shit in the morning post a photo on Facebook of the bog and get likes from people as that’s the society of white fluffy clouds we are in ,
NeilA wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2024 9:16 am
Devo if Leon puts a pigeon on here and says what he paid and that he believes he will get his investment back or words to that effect and the pigeon looks a bag of shit surely we can say we don’t like the pigeon can’t we or do we all have to praise every pigeon Leon puts on as per your post or maybe we don’t post at all in reply not to upset anyone , I guess that the modern way now
I think the photo looks terrible and couldn’t careless if Leon spent £10 or 100k like I say money amounts in what I see as a hobby actually has the opposite on me and I would praise someone who spent little money but wins out of turn through skill and work rate rather than one that buys a pigeon for a few grand sticks the photo up on a public forum and then we can’t post that we don’t like the bird as you don’t think we should .
I would much rather see Leon take a photo of pigeons in his loft that have won or breeding winners without the need to mention money paid etc
I wouldn’t want to upset Leon but do think we should be allowed to give negative views rather than just praise and I wish him good luck with the bird
First of all Neil, if a bird is going through its moult it is not going to look to good, It was in a auction so photos need to be taken.
On the pedigree side, you are the first to say, you don't know anything about these new racing pigeons. All the fancy names don't wash with you, well Leon bought this bird on what beliefs to be a very good price.He knows what he wants in his loft, to excel with his breeding loft. Like I have said he takes the chance and pays the money. Good on him the bird will look top notch in a good few weeks.
Devo
I don’t like the pigeon ok I can’t say I do just because Leon your pal I find Leon a nice bloke but I can’t just say that’s great if I think that isn’t for me
Names mean nothing to me only performance your right any fool can make a name up for a pigeon
Money paid means nothing to me either in pigeons only real life
Kevin Lawson once said to me if you don’t like a pigeon kill it and definitely don’t buy it for the pedigree as you will always dislike it and that mucks up your attitude in the loft
In my view he’s right and if me or you won a fraction of what he did we wouldn’t have done to bad so I go with that advice .
I don’t like the bird Devo but I tell you what when Leon puts another one up I will say nothing unless I like it , that fits in with what you’re wanting me to say and do .
Ok Neil, like I always say everyone to their own views and so it should be, That is what makes a good topic. and that is what keeps the site going in winter months..
Devo1956 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2024 10:00 am
Mike you have been in the game for a long time, and it is your job working on auction sites. You have clear knowledge of the breeding lines needed in today's racing of birds.. Also what is needed for breeding, what I am saying if you put a photo of a bird up, and gave a report on what is possible in the breeding of this bird and also the price what you paid for it. A price you thought was a steal. i am sure you would get a different reaction from others, that is what I was pointing out.
Well, I sell pigeons online yes, but its not my "job". My full time job is as an IT Consultant. Anyways......
Yes, I'd like to think I have a grasp of what a good pigeon should look and feel like. My experience has taught me that
I'm not 100% sure of what it is that you're saying - but here's a pigeon that I like the look of, and it's competitively priced in my opinion
"Pennine Heights" can be classsed as a true champion
Winner of 1st NFC Tarbes at 740 miles he's direct Sire of an UNC winner at 500 miles etc
This hen is a Double G.Daughter. She looks smart to me
Devo1956 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2024 10:00 am
Mike you have been in the game for a long time, and it is your job working on auction sites. You have clear knowledge of the breeding lines needed in today's racing of birds.. Also what is needed for breeding, what I am saying if you put a photo of a bird up, and gave a report on what is possible in the breeding of this bird and also the price what you paid for it. A price you thought was a steal. i am sure you would get a different reaction from others, that is what I was pointing out.
Well, I sell pigeons online yes, but its not my "job". My full time job is as an IT Consultant. Anyways......
Yes, I'd like to think I have a grasp of what a good pigeon should look and feel like. My experience has taught me that
I'm not 100% sure of what it is that you're saying - but here's a pigeon that I like the look of, and it's competitively priced in my opinion
"Pennine Heights" can be classsed as a true champion
Winner of 1st NFC Tarbes at 740 miles he's direct Sire of an UNC winner at 500 miles etc
This hen is a Double G.Daughter. She looks smart to me
Well I have to agree with you, great presentation from the photo, and good breeding to go with it. My point on this topic, we are in moulting season, and some of the birds in the auctions of OLR or from other places, Are not looking to good in the auction photos. I am sure you could walk into a top flyers loft at this time. And you will find fed and combine winner looking a bit down and to be honest you would walk right past them.
I would say on this topic, constructive criticism, yes I agree with and it should be constructive.. Others may differ in their thoughts.
