Any Eye Sign Specialists

[NeilA]

Cheers Andy
I will read through that a few times
Thanks a lot

[MIL]

I like her eye

One hell of a eye for me, class i would say.

She sold for £1100 tonight

[Devo1956]

I like her eye

One hell of a eye for me, class i would say.

She sold for £1100 tonight

How old was she Mike?

[king]

They are ALL racing eyes. But what distances? One is the eye of a bird that has raced & won at all distances can anybody pick that bird out?

1 and 2 distance, 3 middle distance. number 4 sprint to middle distance. Number 2 all round distance. Just my views.

I'll put the performances of the birds up tomorrow.

[NeilA]

So it’s not shade in the inner circle for breeding Andy and the inner of the washer smooth the outside is good to be bursting but not taking over the adjoining next colour ?
If that’s right does the shade matter for racing

I haven’t started in the next section out from the pupil yet

[MIL]

One hell of a eye for me, class i would say.

She sold for £1100 tonight

How old was she Mike?

2018 hen

Dam of 6 x 1st Federation

Her father (Direct Son of KBDB Champion "SAGAN") is the G.Sire of Bob Fenech's "RED ALERT"

"CHAMPION RED ALERT"
Winner of
8 x 1st Federations in 2 seasons racing
1st Fed Woking 975 birds
1st Fed Lyndhurst 586 birds
1st Fed Epsom 1,184 birds
1st Fed Newbury 1,171 birds
1st Fed Lyndhurst 942 birds
1st Fed Poole 654 birds
1st Fed Woking 1,219 birds
1st Fed St Albans 1,144 birds

[Murray]

My Billion Dollar baby is out of a hen whose father was out of a full sister to "Sagan".
It's good to see the breeding vindicated.

[Andy]

So it’s not shade in the inner circle for breeding Andy and the inner of the washer smooth the outside is good to be bursting but not taking over the adjoining next colour ?
If that’s right does the shade matter for racing

I haven’t started in the next section out from the pupil yet

No Neil. I know when I started looking at eyesign back in the eighties they talked about standing sign, laying sign, etc. This was referring to the area where the dark shading was. Supposedly denoting the distance they could fly. The biggest problem with this is that it can be different in each eye. It was also said that the left eye was the breeding eye and the right the racing one. I don’t think that any of this is of any real importance.
What I look for in the perspective breeding eye is the amount of room within a sign to absorb the strengths of another.
The inner circle in my view needs to be wide and of a single colour. A bit of shading is ok but shows that it is starting to absorb the dark shading from another eye. When the inner circle becomes full of dark shading it cannot absorb anymore. The same with the circle of colouration. I do like to see serration around the inner circle but as you say not so much that it’s running out into the circle of colouration. This usually appears in the areas of dark shading where the inner circle has absorbed more of the shading than it has room for.
The area of dark shading doesn’t matter as far as racing goes as it is what it is and you’re not looking to strengthen it.
I am no expert in determining the eyesign for racing, don’t pretend to be one for breeding either lol, just explaining what I like to look for and why.
So as far as selection goes I would keep an untested bird back to test at breeding if I felt the eyesign was very good. The best breeders aren’t always the best racers as much as the best racers don’t always make the best breeders. However if a top racer has a very full eye it would be good to know what to pair it to too get the best results. This is where the mate needs plenty of room in the eyesign to absorb the strength of the racer.

[NeilA]

I I understand that more now so a little shading is fine and if say a good racer has a lot try to find a partner with a little shading so the youngsters are not heavily shaded and still have room for when they are paired for there youngsters to not be to heavy as we don’t want 100 per cent shading for breeding in the future

[Andy]

I I understand that more now so a little shading is fine and if say a good racer has a lot try to find a partner with a little shading so the youngsters are not heavily shaded and still have room for when they are paired for there youngsters to not be to heavy as we don’t want 100 per cent shading for breeding in the future

Yes that’s correct Neil.